Bible Reading Matthew 4-5

On this Episode we read Matthew 4-5 about Jesus being Tempted and the Beatitudes.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:13

Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil, and when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward and hungered. And when he when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on the pinnacle of the temple. And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down, for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee, and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Um what is the holy city? Jerusalem. Is that a high elevation? Uh yeah, it's on top of a hill. A hill. Yeah. So the whole city's on the peak, and then the highest point would be like the top of the church people, right? No, no. Now Jerusalem's on a hill, I believe that's what it's referring to when it's the Holy City. So it would just have been a neighboring mountainside. The way that topography is, is you've got like Jerusalem here, Mountain Bald here, and a bunch of like mountains and stuff kind of spread throughout. So and then there's um yeah, there's basically just a bunch of mountains and valleys kind of all close together, so you know. So do you do you think uh that uh Satan actually picked Jesus up and like flew them over, or did they actual project, or what do you think? I think you'd probably just let him like just let them walk. Let him walk and then climb? Yeah, something like that. A long climb. Probably was, yeah. Especially on the food. Yeah. You guys keep going. I'm actually gonna check and see what the screen's doing on other people's phones, like Callie and Jess's specifically. I'll be right back, so. Yeah. Um it is And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down, for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee, and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Again the devil taketh him up into an exceedingly high mountain, and showeth him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them, and saith unto him, All these things will I give thee if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hints, Satan. Get thee hints? Get behind me. Well, yeah, I know it's supposed to say that, but it says, Get thee hints. Get thee hints, get away. Get the hints behind me. Oh no. Uh for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Then the devil leaveth him, and behold, the angels came and ministered unto him. I wonder, you think he tried to do that with God himself? Did what? Satan. Like this exact same thing. He already did it once. When God, like in heaven. And now he's trying it again with Jesus separately. And it's not working again. God tried to Satan tried to give God his own kingdom. You know, like when Satan first rebelled against God. Before oh, he just wanted to be equal with God. Right, but do you think that this was a replay of that? I mean, it's instead of God. Yeah. Yeah. Trying to corrupt the sun so that he's no longer the son.

unknown 4:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:43

That'd be interesting.

SPEAKER_00 4:45

Okay, so they're saying that stuff looks good on their end, so they're happy with it. Uh let's see.

SPEAKER_03 4:52

You're happy and you know what? So Joe 2112 says, it would be refreshing to hear modern English instead of the language of the day of 1611. Yeah, I know. Too bad West Scott and Hort were weird.

SPEAKER_00 5:13

It's almost like those modern languages are not that great.

SPEAKER_03 5:18

But that's a whole other topic. So yeah, I never trust anything out of the 1800s. I believe I've said that before. It's like a hundred years of a hippie generation in Britain. Yeah. 1800s is kind of like the more you look into it, the more it's like, this is weird. Oh yeah, you know, communion of the saints. It's like, we're Christians, but we're gonna sit in the church and let ghosts sit in the pews with us. We're not weird at all. So, anyway. Um those are the people translating your Bible, apparently. So really, that's Hort. Yeah. Wow. Verse 12. That's rumor, anyhow, but I'm sure there's people who would disagree with that. I know there are, so yeah. Anyway, so where are we at, guys? 12.

SPEAKER_02 6:09

Verse 12.

SPEAKER_03 6:10

Uh now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, yeah. Then the devil leaveth him, and behold, the angels came and ministered unto him. That wraps up the story of the devil tempting Jesus. Then we go to twelve. Now, when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee and leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the seacoast in the borders of Zeduon and Nephthalim. That John, would that be John the Baptist?

SPEAKER_01 6:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:42

Why did why did they captain in the jail? In the jail. Because he made Herod mad because he told Herod he shouldn't marry his his brother's wife. And he got pissed off, but he wouldn't kill him because he respected her. And then and then later on, that chick dances for him. He's like, Oh, I'll do whatever you want. And and then she asked her mother what she what she should ask for, and he's like, Oh, give the the head of John the badge. Yep. And then that's how John died. Yep. We'll actually read that later, won't we? Yes, yeah, we'll be reading that later. Well, verse 14. That it might be fulfilled, which was spoken by Isaiah. Isaiah. Yeah, Isaiah. Isaiah Prophet. Yeah. The land of Zebulon and the land of Nephilim. I wonder if there's really big bones buried there. By the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee, and the Gentiles, the people which sat in the darkness saw great light, and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death. Them which sat in the region and shadow of death. Light is sprung up. You tell me that's not an allegory? Uh yeah, it's a reference or a quote to um I want to say Isaiah. I believe. I think this is this is one of those more complicated prophecies. Let's see here. The people which sat in the darkness saw great light. And to them which sat in the region and shadow of death, light is thrown up. Yeah, this would be a great time to have Google, but oh well. Yeah, he's quoting Isaiah here, and this is basically um Christ fulfilling prophecy. But one of the things about that is it's not just like, you know, telling the future. There's like archetypal parallels being drawn. So it's like sometimes when he's talking about prophecy, it's literally predicting the future B for B. Other times it's like more akin to saying, it's like this thing Isaiah brought up here, and it's like history rhyming type of deal. Does it make sense? So Matthew has a combination of drawing those parallels back as well as like predicting the future, or like quoting prophets who like Isaiah who predicted the future. It's one of those callbacks, I guess you could say.

SPEAKER_02 9:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 9:23

Um, okay, verse 17. From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. And Jesus, walking by the Sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brothers, casting a net into the sea, for they were fishers. And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men. And they straightaway left their nets and followed him. And going on from thence he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets, and he called them, and they immediately left the ship and their father, and they followed him. And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people. And his fame went throughout all Syria, and they brought him unto him all sick people that were taken with diverse diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatic, and those that had the palsy, and he healed them. And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, from the capitalist, and from Jerusalem, and from Judea, and from beyond Jordan. And that is chapter four. That's funny that the word diverse, the first place that that is, is referring to demons and case. Yeah, it's almost like there's a parallel there, almost. It's like poetry, it rhymes. Why do some churches not not not teach us? Like we know the screen's messed up, we're sorry. Yeah, we're we tried to fix it. You have to deal with your logo. It's turn your phone sideways. And then lock it, I guess. So uh what are you saying? Oh, that wasn't kind of thought. Uh you were asking, Trevor, why they don't teach this. And what what are you um why don't they teach why? Some churches will skip this completely and not even talk about this. The diseases and stuff, the him healing, the the the like people uh in like they have they have devils and demons and stuff like that. They don't teach about possession at all. Yeah, they don't want to. Nobody knows how to deal with it.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

They're scared.

SPEAKER_03 12:15

Well, it's also like there's this doctrine of secessionism that kind of believes all the supernatural stuff, like the miracles and everything stopped after the Bible. Yeah, miracles stopped, whatever that means. Yeah, and so I think that's one of the reasons they don't talk about it. I also think they don't talk about it because people everybody wants to be academic and smart. They want to seem smart and talking about demons and supernatural stuff. It makes you look like an idiot. It makes you look like one of the super uh superstitious well let's let's chew on that. Because your intrusive thoughts, in my opinion, are demons. That's all I'm wondering.

SPEAKER_02 12:56

And so if you're if you're sitting there like judging someone for talking about demons, it's the demons in your head telling you that they're stupid.

SPEAKER_03 13:06

So like it's they're they're they're covering up their own existence in a way. I can see that, yeah. Yeah, no, I think that just it's sinful, I think, because you know, the world is bigger than just wanting to seem smart and not talk about anything supernatural, but yeah, yeah. And there are people that deal with that stuff. My church was secessionist and it had not just my stuff, but other kids going through that stuff. Never talked about sort of going back through it. Yeah, that's really what it was. What was happening, from what I remember, is that the kids were going on mission trips to like Africa or Mexico or wherever, and they were the rumor was they're bringing stuff back, and it was fall that stuff was falling into their houses, and it was tormenting them, and the church wouldn't even talk about it, you know, because it's like we're secessionists, we don't believe in that sort of thing. So the apostles took care of all of the demons already. Yeah, something like that. So they just, you know, it was evil, really, to sit there and ignore that stuff. Turning a blind eye is is the most evil thing you can do. Well, people just like, we don't want to be those guys, we don't want to be those crazies, you know. We don't want to be judged. But you know, the whole point of being an intellectual is you do have to look at stuff even if if if a bunch of kids are coming up to you saying, we went on a mission trip, and they're not talking to each other, they're trying to talk to the preacher in private. So you have all these kids coming up to the youth pastors and the preachers individually without talking to each other because there's peer pressure all the way around. They're all going to the youth pastor and the preacher on their own. You would think those guys would be like, okay, we gotta figure out how to handle this, we gotta figure out if we're gonna tell the kids. Nothing. Yeah. And that's pretty dark because why would they lie? Like, and they're certainly not talking to each other about it, because everybody's kind of sharing that stigma, so yeah. Yeah, it's any pictures you tell them that's stupid, it's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy, man. Yeah, yeah. Because I I was raised Baptist, and I never really heard about any of this until I left. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you start reading it, and you're like, oh, like churches don't require you to ride the read the Bible, man. Like, no, memorize. Come to church, memorize verses, memorize verses, memorize it. We put off your sheet, but don't actually read any of it and understand it. Don't think critically about it. I mean, I was encouraged to read my Bible, thankfully. I I don't know how I don't think they actually expected very many kids to do it, but you know, they said you were supposed to at least. Well, it's always like an ego thing. They're like, oh yeah, cover to cover, baby. Cover to cover. And it's like, well, that doesn't what did you get from it? They're like, nothing, I just read it. Yeah. It's like, how many times have you read the Bible? That's that's where your salvation is. Yeah. Who said that? I've had people tell me that. Every boomer says that. How many times you read yourself, your the Bible is correlated to your salvation, huh? Yeah, yeah. That's people tell me that. I'm like, your church. I don't understand just randomly. Are there any bosses like that? Like just like old boomers, man. Just random people throughout. I've read cover. I've had uh I knew a guy and he said he was uh not a believer. What's it called? Atheist? Atheist, yeah. He's like, I've read the Bible like 10 times. And I was like, uh I actually haven't read it all, but I do understand it a little better. And so he would pull up the Bible and ask me questions like this. What does this mean? You know, why does this contradict this? And we was I had more Bible study with the atheist after I left my church. Why do you think Jesus hung out with atheists?

SPEAKER_01 17:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:38

And scumbags had. But that's interesting, ten times, huh? Yeah, he read it like ten times, and he he actually believed the Quran more. The Quran's pretty based, I'm not gonna lie. Yeah. He had read the Quran, he read the Bible, he read several other books, and I'm like, I haven't even made it all the way through once. So do you think he was uh looking, or was he like poking holes?

SPEAKER_02 18:06

He was poking to get me to not believe, is what I felt.

SPEAKER_03 18:12

Well, why do you think he spent so much trouble spent so much time reading the Bible himself? Do you think he was really looking for the truth, or do you think he was trying to poke holes? I think he was just trying to find the higher power. Yeah. And he didn't believe what the Bible was saying, he just read it. Which is how you should read it, I think. Just read it just to see what you learn from it. Right. So if you read it from a human perspective, that's the only perspective you're gonna get, and it's gonna be confusing. So if you read it from a supernatural perspective, it makes ten times more sense.

SPEAKER_02 19:00

So I was actually talking to some of Jehovah's Witnesses came by the other day, and I talked to them for like half an hour in the driveway. I I don't know. But they uh I was talking to them about like I think because they asked me what part of the Bible is important, and I I'm talking to you about this. Yeah, uh, like the gospels are the most important part because it's the part that I can apply to my life and it actually affects it and positively, right?

SPEAKER_03 19:31

Like the Old Testament, I can't apply that to my life. I find it ridiculous. Revelation, I can't do anything with that. Paul is ridiculous to me because he makes excuses for his behavior. We'll get to that eventually, yeah. So this is what I'm telling these guys. Yeah. And you know, the Paul thing cracked them up, they laughed pretty hard. You're old dudes. Um Paul is my favorite author. I know I've said that already. Yeah. Um, so I think that the the gospel is the most applicable to your life. So, but I think in that, when I'm hungry, I garner more from the gospels. So, like, I think the more fasted you are, the more, the less connected to the earth, right? Be in the earth, not of it, right? So the more fasted you, if you're fasted for 10 days, I think you're gonna get way more gravy out of here than if you you know read the Bible full. I've heard that. I've heard that idea before. Really? Yeah, fasting connection to God. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, I think you'll actually learn something different that you've never learned out of here if you do it hungry. It's like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:46

So, but yeah, I just I've been thinking about that for a couple weeks, and I'm like, man, that's I think that's true. Yeah. No, I just I'm I do find it interesting that that atheist did supposedly read it so much. I don't know if I buy ten times, but he was clearly familiar with it. He was he was quoting stuff and he was he brought his Bible out and showed me and asked me questions. What was something that stumped you? There was a lot of stuff that stumped me, because I was fresh out of high school, and I had never actually sat down and read the Bible for me at all. Yeah. Uh so I was only doing what I was told to do in church. I was going on Sunday and that was it. Sometimes Wednesday night. And I'd sit through what the preacher would teach, but I never actually listened to it. So when I ran into the atheist, uh, it was in boot camp, we would sit down in our free time and talk about the Bible. And that's some some of the stuff I've asked are questions that you asked me. Well, like well, just well, like what's a specific example? What's something he asked? Um like uh the whole uh Jesus uh when Jesus was up on the mountains and temple, where did he bring you? He was he asked me about okay, how did You're funny? It's not me asking. Like how did Satan why why like how did Satan get Jesus up there? Did he like astral project? Oh, that, that. And I had no idea at the time what astral projections was. Yeah. Um, sounds like it's just like being hyperbolic. I mean the mountains aren't like it's not like Montana.

unknown 22:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:54

The mountains out there. I mean, you just walk you just walk the top of them. It ain't like a huge huge. The holy city could be what they talk about in Revelation, too. Because it says at the pinnacle, which I think that I'm pretty sure that's shorthand for Jerusalem. It could be. We don't have Google to check it tonight. The Holy City. Index. Index. Index. Index. Don't keep talking. No, I do think it is interesting that they teach you to memorize like Bible passages, which I don't think is a bad thing, but I don't really feel like they teach you how to read the Bible very well, like how to apply literary practices to the Bible. It's like it's like using math practically versus memorizing math equations. Like yeah. Like a squared plus b squared equals b squared. Yeah, that sounds it doesn't help you at all. Okay. Yeah. How do letters, how are you supposed to square letters? I forgot. Yeah. No, I feel like they I always likened it to um like taking a politician out of context. You know what I mean? Like they just cherry pick and then bend it to whatever they want. And, you know, I'm always like a letter to an individual, like Paul wrote a letter to Timothy, for example, and a letter to like a group that's gonna read different, that's gonna, that's going to affect how you read verse, you know what I mean, and the kind of analogies you use. And they don't teach you, you know, basic stuff like, okay, who who wrote it and who is he writing to, and say, okay, you need to think about that when you're, you know, reading the letter. They also don't point out that, you know, the letter's supposed to be, I might have heard this once from one preacher. Uh I think it was a church in Texas who said this. But uh, you know, you're supposed to sit down and read those letters in one sitting. That's what that's what they're designed for. They're not designed to just grab one verse. Like it's a shame for a man to have long hair or whatever. You're supposed to sit down and read it all the way through because it's a cumulative case to a church. You know? Like they don't teach that normally, I don't think. So I don't know if that's intentional or not, but I do feel like that you do have to have some grasp of the English language to understand it. Yeah. I don't think anybody teaches you how to think more. Yeah. Very, very few people. Is there any comments? No. No. Okay. Alright. So we're ready to move on or yeah, we can go to the next chapter. Alright. Chapter 5. Alright. And seeing the multitudes, he went up into the mountain. And when he was set, his disciples came unto him, and he opened his mouth and taught them, saying, Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. I found it, the holy city. It's in Revelation 21. And it's uh chapter 21. It talks about the holy city being Jerusalem. Oh. So it is yeah, it's like written verse 2, and I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem. The new Jerusalem. Coming down from God. That's a different thing. Prepared as a bride going for her husband. I was wondering because the Holy City. Pinnacle is um the top of the pyramid in my eyes. Which the when it talks about the dimensions in Revelation of the Holy City, it's either a square or a pyramid, and considering. I think it's a pyramid. Yeah, I think that's the most common of it. Yeah. Take like a magnifying glass, shine light through it, the sunshine, it makes a pyramid on that. Yeah, like a giant press cool, right? Wait, how does it go here? Pyramid? I just Illuminati confirms. Illuminati confirms. You're here first. No, I I would argue a little bit though, because I think um holy city in Matthew, I do think that is Jerusalem. New Jerusalem doesn't exist yet, at least not on Earth. So I don't think it can mean the eternal king, like the God, as it were. You don't think Satan has yet? Uh you think he can transverse the heavens? You can't really like time and space? Maybe sort of you don't think he could Satan can take Jesus to the top of the Holy City and look at the whole world? Like all of time and like all the kingdoms of the earth, yeah, I think he can do that, but I just don't know if it's like literally Jerusalem. What if it was? Or I don't think it's like literally the new Jerusalem or whatever. What if this is just me speculating? What if he did take him to another dimension back to the new Jerusalem within Revelation? Like so, you know. Well, I don't think that's the case because it says, you know, all these things I will give you if you go down and worship me during that portion. So it's like, well, he obviously wouldn't own New Jerusalem. That's true. That's God's like, you know, yeah, the perfected domain. So it's gotta be the kingdoms of the earth. So excellent argument. All right, go on. You're good. Do you guys have any thoughts about the poor in spirit means? Poor in spirit. I don't exactly know what that means. Like I would assume it means like something to the effect of humble. But I don't know. I would say uh like when you're sad. I don't know, maybe I'm off here. But since Cowie's sitting here, like um, when I'm sick, I'm really kind. Like when I get sick, I'm really kind. So like when you're poor in spirit, like you're depressed, you're sad, and you're like looking for direction, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

Um you're yeah, humility. Yeah. I agree, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:39

Like poor in spirit, your your your frequency, your frequency is low in the spirit realm. Maybe.

SPEAKER_02 29:50

Yeah, which makes you vulnerable. So like either you're gonna take a good direction or bad direction, or any direction. That's exactly what you did.

SPEAKER_03 30:00

Yeah. Um let's see, blessed are they that mourn, for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.

SPEAKER_02 30:14

Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after the righteousness, for they shall be filled.

SPEAKER_03 30:20

Stop on meek. Always heard, you know, like I guess the cliche would be meek is weak or whatever, but I don't obviously I don't believe that. I don't think guys typically believe that anymore. But what do you think meek actually is? Um, I mean I've heard like Jordan Peterson's definition, you know, he's got that clip where he says that the meek are the uh what patient? Okay. I mean I I'm not familiar with that particular clip, it is. Um it's more like they're patient, so they don't like an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. If you stay out of it, you inherit the earth. Okay. Okay. Does it work? Uh sure. I always felt like it was like uh I don't know, speak softly, carry a big stick kind of kind of thing. Like you don't show a lot of bravado, you don't you're not super boisterous or whatever, so you know, but that doesn't necessarily equivocate to weakness, you know. Do the right thing, but don't go out looking for violence, yeah. Show that you're strong, yeah. Yeah. I this is all leading back to humility, bro. Yeah. In the index here it says humility. Humility? Okay. Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled. Blessed are the merciful, also humbled, for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. I'll stop on um seven, because I think there's another verse somewhere, I don't remember exactly where it is. I think it might be in Acts, and I also feel like it's in the gospel somewhere, but it's like, by your words you'll be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned. And it's like, I think it's an additional motivation to be merciful because God's gonna take your I always I always took those passages, and this is me speculating, but I always took those passages to mean that whatever standard you hold other people to, it's gonna be just be the standard you're held to in life. And, you know, if you're talking about whether or not you're saved, then the dirty little secret is you can't even uphold your own criterion. But you know, so you need to be merciful to other people. That's kind of how I always understood it.

SPEAKER_01 32:48

So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:51

So I can go up. The Lord's Prayer says you can only uh forgive. Forgive so you can be forgiven, basically. Yeah, let's see. Uh forgive, forgive us our trespasses, we forgive those who trespass against us. Yeah, forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those that trespass against us. That's mean god that means God can't forgive us until we forgive people. Yeah. Or ourselves. Or ourselves. Alright. Yeah. Not easy. I don't even know what that looks like. It's like, I'll let you off this time, buddy. It's like, yeah. Alright, thanks. I owe you one. Uh blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God. I want to say peacemakers, not peaceful. Like, you gotta be willing to do what it takes to make peace. That doesn't mean avoiding conflict at all costs. I don't think that's a pacifism verse. Peacemakers are about boundaries, I would say. What does that mean? I don't well like you protect your personal boundaries, like if you protect your personal country, the same kind of concept.

SPEAKER_02 34:20

Um, then people can't like we're all trying to walk the middle path.

SPEAKER_03 34:30

Okay, so like a peacemaker would be someone who shows all the people around him how to walk the middle path. I just think you need to be doing things with peace as the objective. You know, that doesn't always mean that you know you you don't stand up to people if they're bullies or whatever. You know, you gotta be willing to protect other people if that's gonna maintain the peace, for example. So just speaking very broadly, and I think people equate peacemakers with pacifism and you know, like being subjugated or no, just like meat, like um stay quiet and carry a big stick, speak soft and carry big stick.

SPEAKER_02 35:20

You know.

SPEAKER_03 35:21

Yeah. I mean, I think you want to try to make and I also think it's uh could be applied not just like in a violence context, but just like in the willingness to be the first to apologize, you know, being the first to end conflicts, being the guy that reaches out and is the assertive one to make peace with you know whoever you're fighting with or whatnot, yeah. And trying to like work to make peace in a family and all that. Like you I just I don't like the past like the peaceful equivocation because it implies passivity, but I feel like being a peacemaker is more assertive. Like you've gotta take steps to make peace in a home or in a country or whatever, you know. Like I feel like there's an active component for the person to be the leader and make the peace if at all possible, you know. Like as far as it is up to you, as Paul would say. That stings a little bit more, though. That stings a little bit more than just, you know, being nice. It's like you need to be the first to actually try to make stuff right. And whatever it is, peace just needs to be objected. Oh, whatever you gotta do. Okay. Oh, that's my thought. What do you think? Ouch. Ouch. Thinking. Ouch. Making an ouch. Oh. Not helpful, Trevor. Well. No, uh every time you I think we just lost the view because you said that. No, whenever you let her quit. I just quit. Whenever you were talking about peacekeeping, and then my brain went to uh that uh uh show and book. Um you were thinking Peacekeeper? Peacekeeper, that HBO show with Santa? No, it's uh Mocking J. Uh oh. What was that called? Oh The Hunger Games? The Hunger Games. Those peacekeepers. Oh. And my brain's stuck on that, and I'm like, get away. Those are not peacekeepers. Oh, that's not what we're talking about. You're kind of an ADD moment, huh? And and then you were asking me. I'm like, oh crap. Uh-oh. Well, Cody, since you're paying attention, what do you think? Um, I I'm not I I can't understand what you're saying. How do you actively oh, you first apologize, for example. After a fight. So so basically, if you and me were to get into a fight, and I'm like, whoa, this is wrong. I'm sorry that we're fighting. That's me keeping the peace, right? Is that what you mean? Yeah, like you know, you stick up for yourself, like I'm not saying like avoid, you don't avoid conflicts, you have a conflict, but you make sure. What if you just don't argue? What if you don't have to be a good idea? That would be avoidance. That'd be like conflict avoidance. Um I'm not sure that would actually be like keeping the peace, because you're still like mad and you just don't say anything. No, because you're not mad. What if you never have the anger to begin with? Well, then that's not a problem. I'm just using it as an example.

SPEAKER_00 38:58

If like you get mad at somebody and you guys have a fight, I'm not saying you should lie or do whatever it takes to de-escalate because that would be passive. No.

SPEAKER_03 39:09

I am saying that when everything's said and done, you should be the first to apologize and reach out because that is keeping the peace. You know, you need to make it right initially, or be the one to like be the first one to try to make it right. So what what what about when someone is mad at you and they try and pick a fight, but you just Well, I think in that case you'd be right not to fight. Like if they're trying to cause a conflict, then I yeah, I think that's awakening. And you just Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. It's like whatever you do pieces the objective. It's just I think people make this equivocancy equivoc equivocancy, equivalency, of uh you know, like not ever sticking up for yourself, you know, just kind of yeah, just being kind of weak and not saying anything at all. What did Jesus do? Well, I think sometimes he was nice and sometimes he was harsh, depending on what the situation required. Did he let people be mean to him? Yes. And you don't agree with that? I think it was appropriate for the situation he was in, but he was also, again, we talked about it last night, the priest, you know, making the whip and beating the crap out of the priests. It wasn't always that way. I just think it varies depending on what the situation requires. Yeah. I just think the overall objective needs to be keeping the peace, but that doesn't always require non-violence or passivity. You should stop active violence. Yeah. When you start trying to keep violence from happening, that's when you become the enemy. You become what you hate. That seems like a different example. Are you talking like minority report versus when you get so defensive? Well, minority port is a wet dream. That doesn't actually work like that.

unknown 41:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:18

Well, you know, like it works like the peacemakers, like he was talking about.

SPEAKER_02 41:21

They become monsters because they're not adhere to God's rule. They have their own agenda, right? Right. God's rule is passivity, not passivity, but God's will, right?

SPEAKER_03 41:36

And so it's like it's perfect. You can either follow that or you're wrong. I do think that there is a difference though between peace and like that quiet tension that exists in Thanksgiving when you don't talk to that family member. You know what I mean? Like, I wouldn't consider that subtle tension where it's like, talk about football, talk about you know anything else, but don't talk about that fight we had that one time or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, I I would consider that like a certain kind of hell. Oh, yeah, I would consider that you bring that kind of stuff up. Huh? I always bring that kind of stuff up.

SPEAKER_01 42:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:11

I don't just sit like there's an elephant in the room I'm talking about. Yeah, but if you bring it up, that makes you an active I you're not being passive, then you're being active, you're actively trying to draw the poison out, and the hopefully the objective would be to get it resolved, which would be dirty in peace. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's what I mean. Okay. I get it now. Okay. So, alright, hey, there you go. We gotta figure it out. So, how far did we get? We're uh one chapter five. Chapters? Alright. Well, I know, but we got to the peacemakers first. So that's fine. Alright, let's just like um 11 or 12. I think let's finish the uh Beatitudes, which I think ended 11. Because we did peacemakers, we still got persecuted and yeah, mental revile you and the persecu yeah. That was a persecution section, and then after that it's like rejoice, and then we got other saying. So let's finish the Beatitudes, which is like yeah, 1112, and then I think we ought to call it three, because I don't think we're getting through five in one day. That was one question that was asked. What the heck are Beatitudes? Oh, yeah, well, it's just the bless it's just a name if blessed R, it's a terminology for blessed or this, blessed or that. You know, I can't head stuff. Huh? Uh-oh. Oh, maybe they're playing hide and seek. Ah, that's hide and seek. That's a good spot. Yeah? Alright. Uh 11. Blessed are ye when men shall revive. You and persecute you and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for my sake. I think the one before that was blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. So you got the two persecution verses. Um rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Okay. So that's twelve. Well, I guess we'll pick up on thirteen next week. So good. Alright. That's our Bible reading.

SPEAKER_00 44:41

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