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Mike Winger Goes After Gary Morgan and His False Prophecies.

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On this Episode we React to Mike Winger Outing Gary Morgan and His "Prophecies".

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SPEAKER_04

Mike Winger has done it again. He has outed another false prophet, apparently. And I think he has. I think he's got a good case here. So I figured we'd recover, you know, we'd talk about that briefly since everybody was talking about it this week. And so with that being said, we'll lead into the intro. Welcome to Faith Fiction and Folklore, as we like to call it the Triet Podcast, where we try not to mess the podcast up. So, Mike Winger. Trevor got us a good article to kind of give us a broad overview of the situation. So let's start there. So, Australian Prophetic Council and the prophetic gift of Gary Morgan exposed. This is by Church Watcher, March 21st, 2026. Mike Winger has done it again. I didn't steal that line from this article, I swear. Calling out cover-up culture and abuse in the church. This time he called he has called out Gary Morgan of the Australian Prophetic Council. I didn't know there was a council for that. Morgan being notorious, Morgan being notorious. I think you need an article there, being a notorious grifting prophet around the Australian landscape. He is often often associated with Apostle Catherine Renola of the Glory City cult in Queensland. And her Australian Prophetic Council, and her Australian Prophetic Council. However, more recently, Morgan has embroiled has been embroiled in the in prophetically abusing Casey City Church members, The Cult of Larry Sebastian. Timeline and Resources on Larry Sebastian of Casey City Church. Gary Morgan was also exposed as a as a prophetic scam and the emphasis culprit in the pulpit scandal that many of us released on the online Christian community where he too failed to prophetically sense the conniving and plagiarizing prophet. I can't read. Amanda Wells. These are all different circumstances, not related to what I'm talking about, but this is still good because this shows other instances where this guy has been a problem. So Mike Winger posted across his social media channels the following. Now this is what I'm talking about. Prophet Gary Morgan is yet another example of a guy who was caught using Facebook to fake prophecy. Many leaders knew nobody warned the public. He still runs his school of prophets. If I had money, we gotta take a school of we gotta take one of these like courses to become prophets, and we need to live stream it. But anyway.

SPEAKER_13

Let me see if I can find it. What's his name?

SPEAKER_04

500 bucks. Well, you're loaded, dude.

SPEAKER_02

For real education.

SPEAKER_04

For a real education.

SPEAKER_02

It's like Gary Morgan. Like uh was that home inspector school?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, there we go. Think of the returns. Think of the returns on your investment. It's Gary Morgan uh School of Prophets, is what it's called. So, yeah, okay, so many leaders do, nobody warned the public. He still runs his school of prophets. I call on leaders in the charismatic church to call him out publicly. And so that was Mike Winger's uh Mike Winger's Facebook post. So basically, he was talking about a controversy where this guy was shown to be using a fake um Facebook, like he called out a fake Facebook name on uh YouTube. So there's that. So I will start the video. I wanted to find timestamps, but it was too long. Before we do that, though, and while Trevor is looking for this school, which I fully intend to just kind of click around on, let's look at Gary, one of Gary's friends really quick.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, send me the link and I will we need to have our listeners fund uh fund us so you can go to profit school and they'll be like, you're a profit guerry!

SPEAKER_04

Yes, guys, send us super chats so we can buy a course for the profit school. It'll be great. I'll tell you your futures and say your names using information I get from Facebook. Say what it'll be perfect. Anyway, sorry. Okay, um here's a little bit of Gary and his preaching style, really quick.

SPEAKER_12

It's so good to be in the house of God, amen. Uh it's so good to be together. For those that don't know me as much as my name's Gary Morgan, and as you can tell by my accent, I'm from Tasmania. I'm originally from Wales, but I'm actually from Melbourne. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, alright, let's skip ahead here. I'll see if we get let's see if we can get him prophesying. What?

SPEAKER_02

He was so funny.

SPEAKER_13

He's the whole thing is $730.

SPEAKER_04

Guys, we need the super chat. We have to do this. We have to do this, huh?

SPEAKER_02

Is it in Australia or is it here? Oh, I I don't know.

SPEAKER_04

It's online. So it's just online? Yeah. Think of the return, Cody. Think of the return on your investment. You could it'll practically pay for itself.

SPEAKER_02

Dude, if this guy didn't have an Australian accent, he wouldn't have a school.

SPEAKER_04

That's true. I don't know why that's true, man. Hey, it's it's it's big everywhere, man. What can I say? So, all right. Let's see if we can get a prophecy here. We're gonna change. He speaks out the change.

SPEAKER_12

And I get do my little routine, and and I'm standing there, and I I pull my shirt down, and I said, Today, you are the encounter of God in this world. And my wife wants to go, what the heck are you doing? What are you talking to?

SPEAKER_04

Is it too late for an annulment?

SPEAKER_12

Marriage they didn't tell us about. I said, I'm I'm speaking to myself. What are you doing that for? And I began to share with her. Because I'm a crazy person. I used to look at myself.

SPEAKER_13

Can you pause it real quick?

SPEAKER_05

Yes.

SPEAKER_13

Um I do like listening to some of these um preachers and prophets and stuff like that. It's all um inspirational because self-help enough. It's it's more self-help and stuff like that. They they literally only really talk about their life story. And it's very inspirational. But it's all they do on their channels and stuff. It's the only thing they preach, is they give their testimony over and over and over and over again. And then every once in a while they'll do something.

SPEAKER_03

When they start school and make money.

SPEAKER_13

Yeah. It's it's basically the same thing over and over again.

SPEAKER_02

I like Tony Robbins, he's cool.

SPEAKER_13

Yeah, they're there's they're really awesome and inspirational to listen to, but it's just the same thing over and over again.

SPEAKER_04

Well, you know, my story on it. Like, I've always been somewhat sympathetic. I went through a series of a period of time where I was speaking in tongues. I never prophesied, but you know, I think I went to it because of all the the demon stuff. I was I wasn't getting a lot of help, and I was pretty angry, and you know, I started going and looking for answers, you know. Yeah, and that you know, running into the charismatic movement was part of that. And um, you know, there's things that happened that I I I can't explain. Um I'm sympathetic to it, I'm open to it. I think I've been very clear that I've been open to it. I I think Kim Clement was legit. Uh I've had to eat crow on Brandon Biggs, you know. So, but I do think there are fake profits, and certainly I think there are fake profits mixed in if real profits. I do suspect that this um this whole thing though, this charismatic movement is kind of growing into a problem, and there is something going on. So I guess doing episodes on this is kind of my way of trying to like suss out what exactly is happening, but it is fun to the truth and what's yeah, yeah. Like, is it is it all bull crap? Like, so say, for example, let me just give you my own story, or at least a scene of it, just to kind of give you an example of what I'm talking about. So I've been slain in the spirit, quote unquote, twice, right? The first time I would consider legitimate, the second time I totally caved under peer pressure, like nothing was happening. I was bored or I was getting very nervous because everybody's looking at you and nothing's happening. And it's like, are you filled with a demon? What's wrong? And so then you lay down, right? Now, yeah, the second time I'm like, oh yeah, I totally caved. The first time, though, I can't explain the first time. It's hard for me even to explain the sensations as to what happened the first time. It's like um some kind of presence, I guess, kind of comes over you, and you get this intention, like you feel this compulsion or like this really strong pressure. It's like trying to like physically push you down. And you can resist it. It's not like your autonomy is removed, but if you just kind of give into it, it's gonna happen. And it was a very bizarre feeling because I wasn't expecting anything to happen. I don't think the black lady who was play praying over me was expecting anything to happen, and everybody was equally shocked.

SPEAKER_02

Now, wait, what happened exactly? You you felt a pressure on your chest?

SPEAKER_04

No, it's like it came down, like it was like this kind of intense pressure. I don't know how else to explain it. It it wasn't physical necessarily, but it was like you felt it. I don't know how else to put it. You felt something and it made you feel a compulsion to lay down. And you could fight it, but you know, if you didn't, you were gonna lay down. I mean, I didn't expect it. The black woman who was praying over me didn't expect it. I don't think she did anyway. It's just kind of like the way she reacted when it finally happened.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. The only thing that reminds me of is the um when you have like a uh what do you call it? It's not near-death experience. It's like when you when you have a dream and you're like you can't get up.

SPEAKER_04

It wasn't what you're saying. I know what you're saying, but it wasn't quite like that. It was less intense than that. But again, I have a really hard time describing what I felt. Um the first time I laid down, you know, it it was it wasn't scary or anything, but it you know, it was something that you felt. It was kind of outside of you. And uh yeah, I mean, I don't I don't have an explanation for it. There was something about that black lady though. Like she she knew stuff. Like she somehow had a sense of what was going on between me and Jess at the time. I never spoke to her, I never really interacted with her. I had just came to the church and sat in the back a handful of times, and she just gravitated towards me, started talking to me. Again, I didn't tell her anything about my life or what was going on. It was just, you know, how's the weather? Welcome to church, glad you're here, that kind of thing. And then whenever Jess finally came, she like you know, did kind of the same thing with Jess. And just she was always like super kind and super supportive. Just it was like she knew something was going on, which you really didn't have any reason to.

SPEAKER_02

So why why would why does a new person come to a church? Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04

Uh, any number of reasons. They need help. Well, not always. Sometimes you just move to the area. Like, you know, at the time, I just moved to South Tulsa.

SPEAKER_02

So you can you can kind of pick up. I mean, like if you're in a church that you go to every week and you see a new person walk in, you walk up to it, and you can kind of figure out whether or not they're in pain or not.

SPEAKER_04

Possibly, you know what? Possibly. I I'm not gonna pretend that I know anything or have any strong opinion. I can just tell you, she seemed to know to me at the time, she seemed to know things that she seemed to have an intuition about me and Jess, and I didn't know how she was getting it because we weren't interacting with her really.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

And then the other thing was that first instance of quote unquote being slain in the spirit. I never went through anything like that before. It was very odd. Uh, the first the second time though, nothing like that happened, and I just caved to peer pressure. Yeah. So that's my experience. And so it's like, I feel like there is something. And so I hesitate to be too harsh. But also, I do think there's some problems mixed in with it, too. So I'm trying to get to the bottom of this ideology and what it is, and maybe everything I went through was demonic. Maybe it wasn't God, maybe it was the devil, maybe it was the power of suggestion being that strong. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

I feel like a tarot reader can get off give off those same vibes, like they know something that they shouldn't know or whatever.

SPEAKER_04

My experience has been, I'll give you another example. I'll give you an example of a faker to show the juxtaposition. So they had a girl prophesy over me at this same church, right? So the girl that they take me into the back, and it's kind of like the first time I've ever done anything like this, and they take me into the back, and the old woman she grabs my hand, right? And she looks at my hand, and I knew exactly what she did when she did it. She saw the calluses on my hands. And so she assumed I'd been working out, but she assumed I was a manual laborer or something. You know what I mean? Like she thought I was like a farmer, and she was wrong. She didn't know I was like landscaping for Phil sometimes, like two or three times a week. And then I was weightlifting, that's why I had calluses. But she thought, she was like, she said a bunch of generic crap. She said, Oh, you're a plant. I'm a plant. God moves me around and um he plants me with people. And I see you witnessing to somebody, uh, you're going to be building a fence with one other individual, you know, and you're gonna witness and you're gonna set an example for this one other individual. I'm like, you knit, you just think I'm a farmer. So that was really obvious. You know what I mean? It's like I can tell what she was doing then. I don't have anything that clear with the black lady that I met. So that's the difference between the two.

SPEAKER_02

Maybe it was intuition, but probably the the black lady probably just said less words.

SPEAKER_04

Possibly. I mean, I don't she talk, we talked that's not fair. She talked more, she talked more to us than that other lady did. Like we we spoke to her two or three times, and she just seemed to have a very strong emotional intuition. Like she was very kind to Jess. She's very, very kind to Jess.

SPEAKER_05

Listen intently.

SPEAKER_04

No, Jess wasn't saying anything. Like Jess was being standoffish. So because it's she's like more skeptical about the charismatic stuff than I am at this point. So she's being really you know, standoffish. You know what I mean? But yeah, the girl, she just seemed to know how to interact with her. So or at least I I mean, again, I could be wrong, but that was the impression I had at the time. And uh yeah, so there was lying, and then there was truth, you know, kind of all mixed in with it. And uh I don't know what to make of it.

SPEAKER_02

It sounds like wizardry to me.

SPEAKER_04

I'm going to say what I suspect. I think this movement is crap, but I think there are people within it that are sincere, and I think God can use anything where there's real faith.

SPEAKER_02

I 100% agree with that.

SPEAKER_04

I think that old black woman really believed it.

SPEAKER_02

Maybe.

SPEAKER_04

And I think that she was sincere, and I think God probably honored her faith by having something approximating that event actually happen. Something approximating getting slain in the spirit actually happen. I think I don't think it was for me so much as it was for her. I think he was honoring her because I think she believed it. And um I think he does that to encourage people. Maybe some people would say, no, in that case, God is lying. Well, it's like, well, not really, because God can do whatever he wants, and if they ask for him to do a certain thing and he does it, then well, it's not like they're doing it, he's doing it, and he just did what they asked. So anyway, I think there are people that are genuine believers if in that movement, but I do think a lot of the doctrine itself is a load of garbage, and I think there's a lot of charlatans mixed in. That would be my suspicion.

SPEAKER_03

So easy way to make a lot of money, so you're gonna have a lot of charlatans flock to that.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, apparently so. Anyway, moving on. Uh, okay, well, I said all that to try to be honest about where I'm at with this movement. Does anybody have any thoughts before I move on?

SPEAKER_02

No, I'm I think all movements are crap.

SPEAKER_04

I don't know what to say to that. I'm like, uh possibly, yes, maybe. What was they saying this? Uh anyway, it doesn't matter. Alright, Trevor, do you have anything to say?

SPEAKER_13

Uh I don't think all movements are crap, but uh I actually agree with you, Gary, on you know, uh there's a lot of people that believe that there's it's truth. And that's what we're here to try and figure out what what what's truth, what's not truth, what's real, what's not real, what's godly, and what's demonic. Yeah. And so we're working on our discernment to figure out what it is with what. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Calic says, I went to Calvary Chapel up till middle school. I think Ray Brent Bentley and his church was telling people to get vaccinated. Then he died. I think he was part of the Illuminati. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

Part of the Illuminati.

SPEAKER_04

Well, they double-crossed him. Anyway, okay, so let's look at this prophecy school. So let's see. We are passionate about raising a prophetic generation deeply connected to God's heart and voice.

SPEAKER_03

We believe that pay me $700.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, just for the cheap price of seven hundred dollars, you can learn the voice of God.

SPEAKER_02

Oh my gosh. I can't believe people like this exist, man.

SPEAKER_04

Caleb says I digress. So, yeah. Okay, so um, okay, we we believe that through the prophetic we are to demonstrate his love by restoring dignity, revealing identity and sparking restoration. We love working with individuals, local churches, businesses, and communities.

SPEAKER_02

Hang on. Where's restoring dignity?

SPEAKER_04

I have a bad word. The word salad revealing identity, restoring dignity, sparking restoration. Okay, so what will we r I'm gonna say we're restoring the church. Let's say that's what that means. There's a lot more on what they when you do when you do a parallelism and sentence structure though, and you're you're playing with alliteration, you you don't use restoration twice. That's the same word. I just want to point that out. You would say reviving dignity or re-establishing dignity, revealing identity sparking restoration. I don't know. It's an ego fluff. I I guess it's like so you can feel good about being a prophet again. I I I hear revealing identity, and I think he's a tranny, but I that's probably not right. So, anyway. Uh okay. So, okay, envision confidently navigating through life's various seasons. Umbracing the highs and lows while remaining attuned to his voice and deeply connected to his heart. So, okay, so he's selling the removal of uncertainty. That that could be prophecy, it could be delusion. But anyway. What if your current understanding of God and his ways is merely a fraction of the vast knowledge and revelations he wants to reveal to you?

SPEAKER_02

Have you ever conceived You know how many times it says in the Bible, the beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That's that's not knowing what God is. When you say I know what God is, you're fucked.

SPEAKER_04

Well, this is very reminiscent of the of the knowledge of tree of the knowledge of good and evil, isn't it? God's holding out on you. And you need me to tell you more.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

It's very reminiscent of that, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02

I know exactly what God is.

SPEAKER_04

It's like, what if your current understanding of God and his ways is merely a fraction of the vast knowledge and revelations he wants to reveal to you? So God's holding out on you, yeah. And if you just eat this fruit, I hate prophets. You're gonna have the knowledge of good and evil.

SPEAKER_02

Prophesy.

SPEAKER_04

Have you ever considered the possibility, Cody, that stepping out of your comfort zone and breaking away from the ordinary patterns of your spiritual journey might lead you to a revitalized and abundant life?

SPEAKER_02

Yes, that's why you fast.

SPEAKER_13

It's called prayer and fasting.

SPEAKER_04

No, you pay $700 for a course.

SPEAKER_02

So you can have a guide tell you what God is.

SPEAKER_04

You're in the right place, Cody. Oh, I love this. I love this. I thought I knew the father. Because your salvation wasn't enough to open that up to you. You need Gary. So I encountered the father on a totally different level. I heard father. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02

It's this this is Brendan Biggs 2.0, dude.

SPEAKER_04

The article. What is with these people? They seem to think that if they remove the article from the sentence, they sound profound. So let's see. I heard father, not the father, or just just father, in a totally different way than I'm used to. The biggest thing I learned was not to put an expectation on the father. Okay, first of all, make up your mind whether you're going to capitalize father or he's lying.

SPEAKER_02

He can't. He's doing that on purpose so he doesn't, because he thinks he's like, if I write the father in this sentence, it's sacrilegious. But if I if I say it, you know, this way, it's not. He's like a liar. He's a liar.

SPEAKER_04

I I suspect you're right, Cody. He is lying.

SPEAKER_03

Hey guys, I gotta head out. I gotta go to bed. Greg, great to hang out with you.

SPEAKER_04

Good to hang out with you, man. Appreciate it. We'll talk to you in a bit.

SPEAKER_03

Thank you for here. Talk to you later.

SPEAKER_04

Adios. So let's see. Let's finish this. The biggest thing I learned was not to put an expectation on a father, but to expect that the father will move. Let the father oh that there you add the article. Let the father heart of God. The father heart of God. The father heart.

SPEAKER_02

He's just making up words, so you go, oh wow, that's so profound.

SPEAKER_04

Jess, you've ruined me, you English major. I'm just looking at these articles going, make up your mind. Is it the father? Is it father? Is it capitalized? I don't know. Holy crap. Okay, so this is nice and professional. For for $700, you could forget the articles and not figure out whether or not you're supposed to capitalize God.

SPEAKER_02

So I want to put I want to put this guy and Brandon Biggs in a cage together with a pool stick to fight to the death.

SPEAKER_13

We're going to have tryouts. Brandon Biggs paid him $700.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, they went to the same classes, I guess. Good night. Okay. All right. Now, guys, this is when you give us the $700 so we can take this course. This is what you're getting, okay? Uh soap stop for stop one. A our 14-week prophetic school offers immersed teaching and practical activations to help you hear God's voice clearly and minister with confidence. Tell me more. All right. Stop. What is stop? Stop is school of prophecy, I guess.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, it's just like he just made up an acronym and you know it's reminiscent of a huge part of the Bible. And it's just like, yeah, stop. It's an accident. Stop. It's an accident.

SPEAKER_13

Didn't we talk about SOP in one of our episodes?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but Judas. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

He touched the SOP.

SPEAKER_02

So no, the SOP is huge. That's a huge thing, man. You can't just, it's just like putting that in there so people have an emotional attachment to it. It's an emotional anchor.

SPEAKER_04

It's a funny word.

SPEAKER_02

Emotional idol. It's a funny word, but you attach to it. You go, oh, that's in the Bible. This guy's based.

SPEAKER_04

You know what? I think you're probably right. They probably did do that to kind of like create like a subconscious connection. That might very well have been it. All right, here we go. Are you ready to go on a life-changing adventure? An adventure that changes the status quo of your relationship with the Lord and causes you to encounter him in ways you can't yet imagine.

SPEAKER_02

I need to encounter this guy.

SPEAKER_13

Um, by the way, you'll have to scroll all the way to the bottom to get to the pricing.

SPEAKER_04

Okay. Well, we got one more paragraph, then we'll we'll see. We'll see how much learning about the voice of God is worth. So it's not just another course. Oh, I'm sure it's not.

SPEAKER_02

You made that distinction there.

SPEAKER_04

Stop one 14-week intensive transformation journey that infuses the very essence of the father's heart into everything you do. I don't know what any of that means. It's not just a head knowledge course, it's a heart-encountered journey. Why is it so important to hear his voice? Because it's our divine inheritance, a vital component of God's plan for the last days, as Joel and Axe prophesied it. Okay, this is a game changer. We've been given access to the mind of Christ. Okay, enabling us to see through his eyes, receive wisdom beyond human understanding. And that's right, Gary. You you you know better than the plebs. And have hope and peace no matter what challenges we face. You know, certainty and delusion are awfully similar. I just want to point that out. Okay, so let's see what the what the learning about the let's see what you know learning about God costs.

SPEAKER_13

So yeah, it's not all the way down, it's like right in the middle.

SPEAKER_04

Right in the middle, okay. Uh Calyx 1 sa or Calix93998 says, these kinds of motivation, these kind of motivational speakers are predatory. I completely agree. The more I'm reading this, I'm like, oh, he's full of crap. He is so full of crap. All right, let's see. Let's try to find the price. Okay, I'm sorry, I'm just gonna read this. Sop 1 changed my life. I understand now. My father loves me all the time. Yeah, you could have read the Bible.

SPEAKER_02

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Was that a review or was that him saying that?

SPEAKER_04

No, that's a review. Because this guy, the this prophet of God, uh got his website from like Donald Miller in the story block model. So you gotta have like your I don't know that for true. It's just some bullcrap website designer that scatters all your reviews and stuff through the website. So okay. Courage, humility, openness. Okay, let's see. Courage. Uh courage, uh showing up is a courageous move. It might be that means paying for it. Yeah, pretty much. It's awfully courageous when you bankrupt yourself. So uh it might be filled with the unknown, but the promise is draw near to the Lord and he will draw near to you. I don't think God required you to pay money, but okay, humility. Embrace humility and allow the Lord to heal you from misperceptions or wounds that may have occurred at different times in your life. How in the heck is that connected to humility? Okay, hang on.

SPEAKER_02

That's backwards, isn't it? Yes, that's like double.

SPEAKER_04

Well, it's basically like you didn't do anything wrong to cause your wounds. God is gonna heal you. I don't know that that just seems like like okay, look, you should get over trauma, but getting over trauma is not connected to humility. That doesn't make any sense. Embrace humility and allow the Lord to heal you from misrepres misperceptions or wounds that may have occurred at different times in your life.

SPEAKER_02

It's just word garbage, dude. It's it's trash. It's not even I think we're trying too hard to interpret it. It doesn't mean anything.

SPEAKER_04

I I well I I'm just trying to suss out a logic through the stupid guys.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's it's not, it's emotional crap.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, let's see. Oh my gosh. Module one understanding the biblical basis for prophecy, developing a five-bar, because it's like a cell phone. Your connection to God is like a cell phone, a five-bar connection. That must have ingredients of the prophet, the must have ingredients of the prophetic. I wonder what that could be. Prophetic patterns within scripture that fuel the prophetic. What prophetic patterns within scripture that fuel the prophetic. But aren't the patterns secondary to the prophetic? So, how would the secondary outcome of the prophetic be fueling the prophetic? That's a tautology, my good sir. Learn grammar.

SPEAKER_02

That's called circular thinking.

SPEAKER_04

Yes, yes, exactly. Different aspects of the prophetic. Teach me, please. Okay, payment plan, but no dollar amount. That's telling. Okay. Oh, here we go, here we go, here we go. Five payments of $159. One payment of $730 for module one. They couldn't write a coherent sentence, but you will learn the voice of God. And to think I felt bad for this guy at different points in the Zoom call. Holy crap. Wow. I mean, and to think they actually get people with this with this. I mean, how in the world is that even possible? I don't know, man. I want to believe, Gary, but your lack of articles has dissuaded me. Okay, so that's that's SOP 1. Alright, we we to go over any of the rest of it, I think would be redundant. Let's um let's look at what Mike Winger has to say a little bit here before we call it a night.

SPEAKER_08

It's wild. Gary, it's like the Lord wanted you to get caught.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, hang on. I gotta change the stupid bar really quick.

SPEAKER_02

Hey, I'm gonna still be listening, but I'm gonna step away right quick. Yep.

SPEAKER_08

We've caught another fake prophet red-handed. This video should prove the case to you beyond any reasonable doubt with tons of evidence and exposed lies. Now, earlier this year, in a recorded Zoom call, I actually confronted this fake prophet and the guys who've helped cover up for him, a guy named Peter, and then more recently a guy named Alan. Peter, you you cannot tell the truth. And this is and this is goes perfectly with Gary being a fraud. Gary, I'm convinced that you are a blasphemer and a fraud who lies in the name of Christ and then demonizes the very Christians who try to hold you accountable. It's disgusting, and Alan, you seem crippled to have the ability to just have the integrity to call out your own people, which is because this is what happens is what happened to these guys when they stood forward. You got it. It's it's nuts. It is nuts. Gary, it there's no wonder why you where you run with you've run with Sean Bowles in the past, you were doing the same thing as him at the same time as him. That call went on for over two and a half hours, and that will also be part of this video. This fake prophet, his name is Gary Morgan. He is the Australian Sean Bowles, actually was a friend of Sean Bowles's, and he ran with Sean Bowles for a while. When he was first confronted about his fake prophecy, he actually used the excuse, well, you know, Sean Bowles gets confronted like this all the time, you know.

SPEAKER_04

Alright, so we're gonna move on a little bit. I wanna actually point out the specific prophecies, the some of the examples of faking that they got. Um actually, I think it might be better to start with uh the people who outed him. Let's let's move there. Because their story is very interesting, so hopefully this gives a good idea of what uh what happened.

SPEAKER_01

I guess I'll just start by was it October or November?

SPEAKER_00

It's November 2015.

SPEAKER_01

November 2015. And did you wanna?

SPEAKER_00

That um we were part of Gloria City Church in Brisbane, Australia at that time. And um Nate was working for the church.

SPEAKER_01

Doing my like the job that I loved, and honestly, my two favorite things in the world, um, especially at the time, evangelism and media and content. So that was my role, and was very blessed in my role. Um, and at the time, Gary was uh speaking at a big prophetic conference our church was putting on. And uh I I remember I wasn't in his session, but uh the person who was in his session debriefed with me and they said something I'll never forget. They said, um, I mean, he's so accurate, they were marveling about how accurate he was with names and dates. And then as as a joke, they just kind of said, Ah, I mean, unless he's getting the information from Facebook and moved on. Wow. And I'd never I'd never heard of that at the time. I had no grid for that. Data mining wasn't a word in my vocabulary. Um, I didn't think too much of it until it came to reviewing the footage from that session, which was one of the parts of my role. And I remember playing it and it seemed so suspicious as soon as I played it. Um, I remember my heartbeat just picking up. I was in a dark editing studio, and I remember just uh it sounded, Mike, like this was information that you would just get off Facebook. Like it was a to start with a a name uh and then a date and then a picture. And Gary had this book that he was reading out of, um, supposed, you know, words that he said he received from God. He was giving these words out, and I just remember the sinking feeling in my stomach. Because we we were taught, and Chris and Haley can attest to this, but we were really taught that you know, suspicion is bad. And we're also very much taught, you know, believe the best, do not touch the Lord's anointed. So I'm like, this is freaky to me. I'm sitting there and I'm I'm going through one, two, three words. And then he started calling out people who were not in the building, and he turned to the camera to give the words. And I'm just, I felt like I was like sinking into my seat there in this dark editing room. It was enough to really disturb me. Um, so I did, I wanted to debunk it in my own mind. I was like, I'm just gonna debunk this and move on with my life.

SPEAKER_08

So I think at the initial time when you first hear it, you're A, you're scared because you feel like it's wrong to even be asking these questions, but you can't get it out of your head. You know, you guys, unless you get it all on Facebook and you're like, that could that could be true. I mean, that that could be a way of doing this. He calls out, and it's it to me, it sounds and I've seen the evidence, and I I know more than what you've shared so far. You're telling me again, and I want to hear your story again so everybody can hear it. But but for people to know, this is exactly identical to Sean Bowles. The the exact same stuff he did. He he's giving information that's available on Facebook, Facebook, which is now searchable, which has now just recently been made easily accessible for people to find your data online. And all of us jumping on Facebook don't realize yet how much we're telling people about ourselves at this point in in time with social media. And then he calls out people who aren't even in the room. And and they're this is I completely identical to Sean Bowles because he knew they were supposed to be there because of Facebook, but people's lives change, they don't show up, they came to an earlier service or something.

SPEAKER_06

So um it's looking that's a point that's an important point you made as well, because all of the people that were prophesied over, there was many more in that in that conference, but all of the people had clicked attending on the conference. That's what I was saying.

SPEAKER_05

So the people say that's insane.

SPEAKER_06

Right. And the people that weren't in the room were traced back to have having clicked attending, right?

SPEAKER_01

Which was the thing that freaked me out because I I went to the one place I thought you would go. There was an event with about I think 300 people on it for that conference, and so I started following his words through, trying to debunk this in my own mind. I thought, sure, some of the details would be on Facebook. That's statistically likely, but not all of them. And as I went through those words, each and every one of them were on the event. And not only that, some people he called out, then spoke to the cameras, and those people had selected attending on the event, but did not show up to the event. And so this was enough to freak me out. I brought this information to Haley, my my wife and Chris. I don't know if you introduced yourself, but feel feel free to introduce yourself. Chris, tell us who you are.

SPEAKER_08

Why not?

SPEAKER_06

Uh yeah. Uh hey guys, I'm uh Chris, and uh I uh I worked uh with Glory City Church. I was a youth pastor there at the All right.

SPEAKER_04

Hang on a minute. Sandra Heenbrand 268. I'm sorry if I'm mispronouncing your name here. It's a little hard to see you. I've never heard sorry, Trevor, go on.

SPEAKER_13

Sandra Hildebrand.

SPEAKER_04

Okay. Sandra Hildebrand. I've never heard of prophesying to people not present in the room. Yeah, I'm assuming that's uh not a good sign. I but I don't run in these circles, so I don't know. I'm maybe they were like on a live stream or something.

SPEAKER_06

And uh yeah, I'm not sure how much to go into. I mean, I I first personally I met Gary uh at uh Pastor Catherine's house in 2014. We had like a little um the end is where it gets really obviously council round table, and uh uh Gary at the time to me he he he seemed um yeah, he seemed like always a likable fella, but a standard kind of general. I'd met many prophetic people, prophets, uh, and had a pretty standard good prophetic uh gift. Um, but nothing that I remarked at until it was one year later, and he came out with, in my opinion at the time, was the most powerful word of knowledge gift I'd ever seen inside of 12 months.

SPEAKER_08

This is an exact repeat of Shambols, it's the Australian Shambols, is what I'm hearing.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, I well, I mean, I I I I was amazed, and I was asking him because I wanted to learn. I said, How did you how do you how did this happen for you? You know, and he said, uh, well, I spell faith differently to most people. I spell it R-I-S-K. And I was like, okay, so you just gotta take a risk, hey?

SPEAKER_04

It is quite a risk if you're faking it, yes indeed, sir. Right, yeah. So, okay, let's let's use a couple examples of uh what Mike says uh were fake prophecies. So let's see here. Australians don't use this. Okay, so let's let's do the first example here. So is it 30 minutes?

SPEAKER_12

Okay, the first thing I saw was I saw a tap. It's like a tap the Lord was opening. And this tap had been closed for some time. And the Lord was opening this tap, and he's saying, the tap that I'm opening is opening the very things that have been closed to you.

SPEAKER_08

You'll notice that this is consistent. I'll spoil it for you now. He will say things that are meant, I believe, to prompt the audience to respond with information. So he he knows stuff about them. He comes up with a way of hinting at what he knows. They're supposed to figure it out on their own. It's the same playbook that Sean Bowles does, exact same playbook. And then he acts surprised, like, oh, that's your name. Oh, that's your birthday. Oh, that's but Gary's not as good at it as Sean was. Um, and you'll see why as we as we move forward. So he keeps saying the word tap. That's the thing he wants to use. You'll understand why, because it connects to her last name.

SPEAKER_12

And I saw the 16th of February and the name Esther. So let me describe Esther.

SPEAKER_08

Okay, Esther Fawcett is her name. Her birthday is on the Feb on February 16th. And Fawcett and Tap. Okay, so for Australians, I'm told this by my Australian friends. They say tap. We say faucet. And they let me know this as I was watching this video. I was like, okay, that makes sense. Um and Gary will say as much later, too. This is meant to be a play on words. God's opening up a tap. That's what they would understand. Americans faucet. And she is supposed to be the one that connects her the name tap to her name. Faucet. Oh, I'm a tap. So he will really kind of push it. And you'll see he spills. I tapped the saw. He shows his cards a little bit. He does this multiple times in these videos. I know you may not feel convinced yet. I've already seen them all. That's why I can speak with confidence. Let me walk you through the evidence, and then maybe you can too.

SPEAKER_12

Los, I saw a guitar in her hand and songs she was writing.

SPEAKER_08

So this is easily available info right on her Facebook page, right at the right at the top.

SPEAKER_12

Yay!

SPEAKER_08

I want to just say real quick, anybody who uh is in these videos, uh, God bless you. I'm glad and encouraged you had a zeal to know God and seek God and be closer to God. You are not at fault here. Uh Gary Morgan abused and manipulated you based upon the evidence I have seen, and and I want to show you too. And it and it was broadcast around and it was used to prop him up as a prophet. And your zeal and your desire for the Lord was good, but it's healthy for him to be exposed. And these are the stories we have that can expose that. So don't be too hard on these people, man. I would be I'd be the same. Well, a younger version of me would have been identical in that room, getting so excited that he said, something about wings, something about wings. Oh, God's given you wings. I mean, that that would have worked on me too at a younger age. And then I grew in discernment, and that is what we all need to do, of course. Uh, and so no shame in that, just uh lessons learned.

SPEAKER_12

So let me prophesy over you. I saw a tap that God was opening, and then face of a tap. He was releasing creativity on you. I saw the 16th of February. What's the 16th of February? That's your birthday. Okay.

SPEAKER_08

If God did give you her birthday, that would be beautiful. It would be a very special moment for a person. However, if you're lying about it, you're an evil, sycophantic weirdo who is manipulating and abusing people for your own glory, and you don't care about them. You actually despise them based upon your act activities, your actions. Um, notice how he leans on the word tap, tap, tap. He it looks like he's trying to get her to say it. She won't. So finally, he just asks her, What's your last name?

SPEAKER_12

Tap. I just saw a tap that was opening.

SPEAKER_04

Uh-huh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_12

It's a tap that's opening on your life.

SPEAKER_04

Okay.

SPEAKER_12

Even as I'm praying, I keep seeing the tap.

SPEAKER_02

Right. He's fishing. He's like just uh terrible, dude.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Turn the water. Turn the water on his own. Get it?

SPEAKER_12

Tap. It's a tap. A little bit you write songs? Yeah. See the tap of creativity. Your name is gonna be known, love. What's your name, Esther?

SPEAKER_08

She said her name, and now people are laughing because they're like, oh yeah, obviously it's the tab. That's the connection. These types of cutesy connections are consistent in Sean Bowles as well as Gary Morgan. Find a name connection, always connected to their name, the name of their street, the name of something I can find on their Facebook page.

SPEAKER_09

Okay. Look, look, my line poke root. Who can take it? Who can take it? It's a dead phone. Look, I'm a genius sort of genius.

SPEAKER_12

That's the faucet.

SPEAKER_09

Okay.

SPEAKER_08

He's trying to add surprise. I don't believe he's surprised at all.

SPEAKER_02

This was now he's touching her head like, oh, look, I'm a I'm God.

SPEAKER_04

No, he's not God. He's just teaching you how to hear God correctly.

SPEAKER_02

Oh my gosh. He looks like a. I'm not gonna say it.

SPEAKER_04

Okay. Caleb's is like, this is rage bait. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Uh okay. Um so that's kind of gives you an idea of how it operates. Um before moving on, obviously, there's like this is a five-hour video. So holy cow! Yeah, we're we're not gonna be able to go over like a fraction of this. So I just wanted to hit some of the highlights of it. Um this is the kind of thing he does. If you want to watch the whole thing, it's Mike Winger's YouTube channel. Uh it says for 10 the title of the video is for 10 years he got away with it. The fake prophet and his enablers. Um for me, like I I would love to do this like all the way through. Because I love kind of watching people and how they interact and and and like kind of some of the tells they give. And so what's really good about Mike Winger's video that I appreciated is there's actually this Zoom call at the very end, and we'll play a little bit of it just to kind of show that it's there. We can't react to the whole thing though, because it's like a two and a half hour Zoom call. But what's interesting is uh yeah, I would just encourage you to watch the whole Zoom meeting because the Zoom meeting is very revealing, and it shows that it's not so much that like Gary is probably just a racka. Uh so he's bringing it back, bringing it back, right? Um, but the people that keep this guy from getting caught, and the people that keep these guys in circulation, they're behind the scenes. They're what Mike Winger calls a fixer. And so I would encourage you to watch the Zoom video because it gives you an idea of the behind the scenes that actually keep guys like Gary propped up in spite of the fact of them constantly getting caught. So just I would encourage you to watch the whole thing. It's it is five hours, but it's worth your time. So, again, I mean, and just as a caveat, I don't agree with everything Mike Winger does in that call, but I think his heart's in the right place, and it is an extremely revealing video. So, anyway, with that said, let's ex let's show how Mike or let's play Mike Winger showing how this false prophet got caught. Assuming we don't get accosted by an ad.

SPEAKER_13

But maybe three, two, one.

SPEAKER_04

If we're lucky, it'll be Jamaican music. I'm gonna have to. There we go.

SPEAKER_08

So let me just recap. So you're in the meeting, you you present a number of evidences, you're given what about this word, what about that word, and yet you can still look those up online. You can find all the stuff, even the extra ones they give online, it's just more red flags. Then you're under I'm I'm guessing you're understandably like I'm kind of up against a wall, we've got a ton of evidence, and it doesn't seem to raise any alarms for you guys. Um, what would it take? And they say, Well, if there was a fake Facebook page and he called out a person that doesn't even exist, then it would be for sure. Um, that's the implication that I'm getting from your story here. And then Haley takes in, takes up for the next part of the story.

SPEAKER_01

Right, because the meeting moved on pretty quickly to say, um, but I want you to drop it. This is a distraction, I want you guys to leave it.

SPEAKER_06

Um we came away feeling bound to that, you know. We felt like we couldn't, you know, in I don't know why when you look back, it's like we'll just do it, you know. But I've I personally felt like I've done all I can do. Nathaniel, I think you felt the same. We've done all we can do, we can't go any further with this. We have to just let it go. And and and you know, that that that was the impression or the feeling that we had. Um, but yeah, go on.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so I like obviously still continue to feel concerned about it and quite um grieved as I would pray about it and things like that. So I decided to make a fake person on Facebook. And I made their first name Sarah. I made their birthday the 10th of June, and I took a photo of a couple of sheep next door, and I made that the profile picture, and um sent out some friend requests to try and make it look legit enough, and um not a bad idea. Like I'd love making a fake that pun hurt as bad as the fake prophecy. But didn't want to spend too much time on it and wanted to just trust God with whatever happened. Um, so so yeah, then it came time for Gary to come speak at our church again. And in the lead up to it, our church put out a Facebook post um to say, you know, Gary will be speaking on Friday night and Sunday morning and Sunday night at our church. So I got my fake person to comment, like, yay, I can't wait, on that post. And that's because there was no event.

SPEAKER_08

That's literally the only thing that you did with that Facebook page was just one little comment.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And we got a screenshot of that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So um, yeah, I did that and just prayed and um, you know, tried to trust God with it. And um, and yeah, it came to the Friday night that Gary was speaking at the church. Um, Nathaniel was he was there, he was on the cameras again. And I was at home with our baby, but I was watching on live stream. And Gary gave a few prophetic words to people uh who were like mostly not in the building again. So he gave prophetic words to live stream, and then I'll never forget when when he said that he had a prophetic word for somebody called Sarah, and he said that he had the date 10th of June. And I remember I just like inhaled sharply, like I I seriously, I'll go all night, even if for the next five hit nothing, I'll still go for it.

SPEAKER_12

Why? Because I've seen so many people changed by the goodness of God, amen. Yeah. The next one I got was I saw the 10th of June, and I had my wife's name Sarah. I had Sarah on the 10th of June.

SPEAKER_02

Crickets.

SPEAKER_04

Gary, the voice of God.

SPEAKER_02

So moral of the story is I wish this guy would have traded places with Steve Irwin.

SPEAKER_04

There you go. There you go. Okay, so this happened, and um, of course, he gets confronted. And I'm not going to play all the details because I want you to watch Mike's video. Mike worked very hard on it. It's a very good video, and yeah, it's very telling. So basically, what happened is they confront this guy. Of course, he starts quoting Proverbs about how dare you're not supposed to set traps. Traps are bad, okay? Doesn't deny it. He complains about traps being set and then denies it. So, anyway, so there was that. And then as he's going to dinner with the pastors, of course, the pastors throw these congreg, these you know, pleb congregation members under the bus because why would they defend their own? They've got they've got a big ticket profit to bring in, you know, sales or whatever. So everybody's pressuring this family, these this boy, this man, and this woman that you saw. And uh, while he's having dinner with the pastor, who've already been giving these guys a hard time, he gets an email. He gets an email from this Sarah person, which obviously isn't possible because it's a fake account. But he's like, see, the Sarah person is real. They lied. Well, further investigations ensued, and uh the Sarah turns out that she's going to uh travel into Cambodia with the Red Cross, and uh then apparently her de her uh email account just disappears. But the recovery email is Gary's web email address. So uh yeah, Gary was the one sending the email. Now his defense in the Zoom call is well, I was at dinner, so how could I have sent the email? And one of them, I don't remember who it was.

SPEAKER_02

It was probably out returning videotapes.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Somebody in the Zoom call said, Well, don't you have a wife? And she was like, I was sick in bed. So anyway. So there's one more look at his pants.

SPEAKER_02

Look at his pants, bro.

SPEAKER_04

The acid jeans?

SPEAKER_02

No, they're like form-fitted. Form fitted. Like he painted those jeans on, man.

SPEAKER_04

Those are he's wearing jeggings. That's the shirt. Those are rough. Those are rough for you to endure.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Well, Wranglers like a real.

SPEAKER_04

All right. Let me see if I can find Mike Finder.

SPEAKER_02

Master of disguise really gets me going.

SPEAKER_04

Oh my goodness. I see that. I see that. Yes, you're right.

unknown

Oh.

SPEAKER_13

You're not turtly enough for that turtle club.

SPEAKER_04

Alright, I'm gonna see if I can find. I doubt I'm gonna be able to do this because this isn't time stamped. But uh hi, kitty. Let's see if all right, we're gonna start at 408, see if we can kind of just have Mike talking to the group here, and then we'll call it good.

SPEAKER_07

So let's just let's just stop there. So um I again, I mean, I I just uh it it's it's just it's really going to come down, Mike, to who you choose to believe at this point as to whether Graham and I did put up $20,000 and that we did say that to Ben, and that we did make that that clear to Ben, and that Ben was the one who withdrew.

SPEAKER_04

Um okay, since we're starting at 408, I should probably explain what's going on here really quick. So basically, these guys want to do an investigation. So what uh the the couple that's uh set up the fake Facebook page, they want to do an investigation. They've got a guy, they've got a guy who is going to, you know, a guy named Ben, who's going to conduct the investigations kind of as a middleman for the couple. And as all this back and forth is going on, this guy named Peter, who Mike Winger calls a fixer, comes into the scene and starts making a lot of very steep stipulations for the investigation. And that what they were trying to do is they wanted to say, well, we can't prove anything until we get the couple's devices. Now, two plus two equals four logic. I mean, obviously, the only reason they want the devices is because they're hoping to find something on that couple's phones that they can use as like counter blackmail.

SPEAKER_02

And oh look, they watched porn three years ago.

SPEAKER_04

Yes, yes, because one of them may or may not have watched porn, that means he's absolved from pulling a fake Facebook page, right? Well, so anyway, so they obviously back out at the end because they need Gary's devices, and he's supposedly got new devices at this point. So they need his to see if he sent the email for the Sarah girl. They don't need the couples, but they keep insisting on the couples, which is an obvious fishing expedition. So anyway, the part of the Peter's justification here is that, well, I offered $20,000, and he keeps saying he told Ben, not the couple, but Ben that he offered the $20,000 because Ben isn't in the chat, and Ben can't confirm or deny it. So that's what's going on at this point in the Zoom call. So we'll look at Mike's response and we'll call it good because Calix has said I'm getting profit fatigue.

SPEAKER_02

I have profit fatigue within the first 30 seconds of every profit.

SPEAKER_04

Well, this is exhausting for Cody, which is kind of why I keep bringing it up. It's a little funny.

SPEAKER_07

It's a little funny of the reality of the facts. And I'm not so at the minute you're choosing to believe Ben's recollection of those uh points of view over my recollection of them. That's your your your prerogative to choose to do that.

SPEAKER_04

But what I'm saying is that there's no Which of course also implies that Ben had denied that they got the to that he had offered twenty thousand dollars. But Ben isn't in the Zoom call, so he just keeps digging in.

SPEAKER_07

Evidence here, other than my word and his word. And if you're going sorry, there's evidence. And is it just $20,000 being offered?

SPEAKER_08

Yeah. It's it's it's the email exchanges you have with Nathaniel where you you make no such offer. Throughout the entire discussion, all the way to the point where it's the whole thing's ending, the you make no such offer and you imply that they have to pay for the whole thing.

SPEAKER_07

Um again, I offer the thoughts you're relying on email conversations that don't reflect the full breadth of the conversations that were being taken. And if that's what you want to rely on, then that's entirely your prerogative to come to a conclusion that there was evidence. And I've acknowledged in my email to you that there was evidence that Nathaniel offered to contribute towards the financial costs. I'm offering to you that there are verbal conversations between Ben and myself, because part of this was a relational thing where he asked me to be an intermediary between Gary and himself. And so I'm offering to you that my point of view, my perspective, my memory is very clear, um, as I have stated to many people, that the $20,000 was offered. So I'm happy for you to rely if you want to rely on the email uh conversation that um Nathaniel was prepared to put up money. I acknowledge that he was prepared to do that. I'm offering to you that the conversation continued verbally and ended up in another place. That's and so it's entirely up to you, Mike, as to where you're going to land on on what you choose to base your opinion or your perspective on. I can't I can't read it. It's called filibustering coaching.

SPEAKER_08

When would you agree with the it's exhausting?

SPEAKER_02

Did you see whatever whenever Mike says not of an author? There is evidence he went like yeah, like right right when he said that, he was like he had to protect his torso because he knew he'd just been exposed.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Well, I don't know if you noticed, but uh it's interesting because I watched this on my phone, so seeing it on here on the the desktop is actually a little more interesting. You can tell, and you couldn't tell on the phone, but you can tell here on the Zoom call that Gary and his wife are a little nervous. Like she keeps biting her lip and shifting around, like yeah. I think it is where's hm where's his wife?

SPEAKER_02

I don't see his wife.

SPEAKER_04

Oh she's right, I don't know if you can see my cursor. Right here.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I thought he was in the bottom left corner.

SPEAKER_04

No, no. This is the couple that created the Facebook page. This is their Peter. This is the new guy who has no idea what's going on. Alan, Mike, and then Gary and his wife.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. Never mind. I was wrong then. I thought it was the bald guy, but he covered up his bald spot.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, yeah, no, no. This guy, yeah, he's the one. His wife is the one that made the Facebook page.

SPEAKER_02

So I'm gonna put my glasses on.

SPEAKER_04

Anywho, I'm trying to find. I'm hoping I've got it, but it's this back and forth where he gets caught again. Mike loses his gourd. I'm trying to find where Mike loses his gourd, is what I'm up to. But there's no time stamps, so I don't know if I'm gonna be able to find it. So I think we'll just go ahead and move on if you guys are okay with that.

SPEAKER_02

Move on to what?

SPEAKER_04

I don't know. Just wrap up the conversation, unless you want to just keep watching this guy get confronted for being alive.

SPEAKER_02

No, I'm good. I'm tired, man.

SPEAKER_04

You're tired. All right. Okay, it's almost three hours. I guess we'll wrap it up. So, anyway, I would encourage y'all to watch Mike's video. The for 10 years you got away with it, the fake prophet and his neighblers. It's Mike Winger's YouTube channel. It's very good. I think we need to do a little bit more on this charismatic stuff because I think it's getting way more. I've just never taken it seriously. Like I've always been kind of amused by it and thought it was kind of funny. And I had, of course, my own questions from way back when, when I was into it briefly, but because I went to ORU, so I mean it's like hard not to get some exposure into that world. Yeah. But you know, I it for the most part, I just haven't really paid a lot of attention. But then Trump gave that tweet where he thought he was Jesus, and I was like, well, that's a little egotistical. And then I realized Paula White was part of his faith council, and she's got this mantle and this whole voice of God thing. We're starting to see that a little bit more. I don't did Brandon Biggs ever claim he was the voice of God and all this, like learning to hear God's voice clearly if you listen to me stuff.

SPEAKER_02

That's what you're doing if you're claiming to be a prophet.

SPEAKER_04

Well, not necessarily, because usually the prophet's like, God is going to kill us all, and we need to straighten up. Like I would have person know that unless they heard their voice again. It's net I I don't recall prophets being like, if you just learn to listen in the right way, you will never have any doubts about your own choices in life. You can walk through life with confidence because you have a perfect understanding of God's will.

SPEAKER_13

I don't recall that being in the Bible, but yeah, Brandon Biggs was more about like, I heard uh me, I, I, I, I. He was all just about himself.

SPEAKER_04

Possibly, yes. I just don't know. I'm this there seems to be this weird, yeah, predatory, as Calix would say, aspect of like, we're gonna teach you how to hear from God that seems to be somewhat new. I'm not I'm not familiar with it. And I don't know. Point is I'm wondering if this charismatic movement's gotten into the White House because of Paula White, and I'm wondering if this is feeding into some of the White House's attitudes. And I only even bring that up because I'm starting to wonder, maybe I'm wrong about not taking the charismatic movement as serious very seriously. Because I just haven't in the past, and I've always kind of considered this prophecy stuff and the speaking in tongues stuff. It's like rib issues, as my dad would say. You know, it's like these are peripheral things that really aren't that important and they don't really matter, and so maybe it's real, maybe it's not. I don't know. But I just seem to be with Mike's stuff coming out and with the stuff of Trump, it just seems like these guys are just like everywhere, and there's just it's just more and more and more of them. I'm like, okay, maybe they have way more influence and are much more of a problem than I thought. What do you guys think?

SPEAKER_02

I think people need help seeing through this crap, but uh I it exhausts me.

SPEAKER_04

Why does it exhaust you? I think it's a very interesting reaction. Why does it make you so tired?

SPEAKER_02

Because it's like I'm digesting lies. And I I know I'm digesting lies, and I it's it's feels like a waste of time. It's like listening to music you hate. Ah I can see that.

SPEAKER_04

I can see that.

SPEAKER_02

It takes a lot of calories, man.

SPEAKER_04

Gotcha. Well. So, what do you think we should do? You think we should keep covering this to kind of because it seems fairly obvious this stuff is a bunch of lies, but apparently it's not obvious to everyone. I mean, I I get catharsis from from making fun of these people, but I I realize that's not always the healthy Yeah, and I think that's why we stopped because our YouTube channel grew kind of fast when we started going after these guys for a while, but we stopped because I didn't want to do that.

SPEAKER_02

Like, I didn't just want to take your channel off of off of being against something else. That's silly.

SPEAKER_04

Well, yeah, you can't just sit there and feed the beast with this algorithm stuff over and over again. I never thought that would be a good thing to do, but I'm just like, as as time goes on, I just keep seeing more and more of it. And it's like, okay, well, are these guys like really a problem that we need to start like dissecting, or is it like the algorithm keeps talking about it?

SPEAKER_02

That's why I take the approach that they're all full of shit. All prophets are liars, like so then people hear that and they're like, oh, well, I should probably pay attention to what the prophet I like is saying.

SPEAKER_04

See, I don't know if that's true. I don't know if all prophets are liars liars. Like, I maintain that Kim Clement absolutely gave a true prophecy when he said that Trump shall be a trumpet. I think that was real. He did that before Trump. I think Trump has operated as a trumpet, and i.e., in terms of a great awakening, it corresponds with other prophecies that Kim Clement gave about there being a veil over the people and it being lifted. And all of that stuff happened like after the guy died.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So I'm like, okay, there has to be something. And I think one thing that bothers me is you've got this fake prophecy. Okay, he clearly pulled a fake name. What does that say about the other prophecies that are right? Like the I think part of my issue is I do not understand what these guys believe exactly to even be able to like refute it. And it's hard to get a straight answer because it's like, for example, Paula White. I was watching a video on Paula White because I'm trying to figure out who this woman is. And when I was trying to watch a video about her, the guy would not say what the charismatic doctrine was. He would quote mine her, he would cherry pick a quote from her, and then he would say that she was saying A, B, or C, and then he would refute it. And I'm like, yeah, but if you took that out of context, you're refuting a straw man. Because I know they do that with Joyce Meyer. Like with Joyce Meyer, they always accuse her of being a prosperity preacher. Like, if she's a prosperity, like I've watched that woman my whole life. If she's a prosperity preacher, then any doctrine about tithing is prosperity preaching. Because all she really says is that God will bless you if you tithe. I've never heard a preacher say anything else. Dave Ramsey says, if you tithe, God is going to be good to you, if for no other reason than you're going to learn how to better budget your money. Like all tithing doctrines are, in some variation, a prosperity doctrine. God is going to bless you if you keep this old Jewish commandment. Regardless of whether it's true or not, that the structure is the same. And she is, I have never heard her say anything on par with anything like what Ken uh Kenneth Copeland says, that whole seed money concept where it's like, I need money for this plane, and you're gonna give me this money so you can get rich later on. Like she never does anything like that. But people consistently quote mine her because she runs around with Joel Olstein and because she's friends of Joel Olstein, I guess that means she's bad or something. And they say I disagree with that. But they say she's a prosperity preacher when she's not. If anything, like I if I were to if I were to condense like 70% of her sermons, it would be get over it. Man up. That's not that's not consistent with the Kenneth Copelands of the world. Her her her main core tenet of her, I guess, ministry would be, you know, forgive the people that abuse you because bitterness is corrosive and you're not doing yourself any favors. Like, that's mostly what she talks about. She may have said something like, you're gonna be blessed if you give money during an altar call over the last 40 years or however long it's been that she's been in charge. But that doesn't, she's been in ministry, but that doesn't mean she's a prosperity preacher. So I already know that they these guys tend to take people out of context and call them fake pre call people fake preachers by quote mining. And so I just kind of wish. So when this guy's like pulling quotes from Paula White, I don't know whether or not to believe them. So I just kind of wish there was a way to like effectively, or I guess I should say, I'm having trouble figuring out what these charismatic people even believe. Do they believe that one fake prophecy makes you a false prophet? I don't know. I I know that traditional like refer like reformed-oriented denominations do, but I don't know if charismatic people do. And if they don't, why not? And so I just I feel like I need to learn more. I'm getting aggravated.

SPEAKER_02

Charismatic people?

SPEAKER_04

Huh?

SPEAKER_02

Do we know of any charismatic people that we can interview?

SPEAKER_04

Not anymore. I used to back when I was in Oklahoma, but I don't know them. Like it's been years since I've talked to them. I never got any of the particulars. I will say I read Oral Roberts' book that you're supposed to read in that college, and I found it very bitter. He really I he did things I didn't agree with. Like he played semantic word games with the phrase grace, with the word grace. You know, he would say, like, because grace is obviously God, you know, giving you something you don't deserve. Well, these clowns would sit there and go, Grace doesn't mean God's gonna give you something you don't deserve. Grace means God has given you the grace to do the right thing.

SPEAKER_03

Which is not that's not grace, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

It's a stupid they they anytime you see crap like that, you know people are lying. Uh like those kind of rhetorical tactics are dishonest. So anyway, so I'm just frustrated. Uh Caleb says, Oh, you know who else is king of rage bait? Troy black. I don't know who Troy Black is. Next week. Troy Black. Okay, we can we can we can look at Troy Black. We can we can do that. So I'll look into him. So anyway, uh so that's my thing. I I'm I don't know. I'm trying to figure out how to deal with this whole charismatic thing because it seems to be just a bigger and bigger, bigger thing, and I never really took it seriously until well, really until the Trump tweet. The Trump tweet was like I don't know, I don't know. I for some reason I made some connection with him and Paula White during that whole thing. I guess people might have maybe somebody had speculated that she had fluffed up his ego or something. I don't know. So okay, okay, uh Calix is going, no, now do it live.

SPEAKER_02

No. I said I was tired 30 minutes ago. I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_04

I'm gonna do it. I'm getting off. Alright. Your wish is our command, though, Calix. Alright, we'll see y'all next week. Alright, stay bad. Have a good night. We'll see ya. Bye. Alright, Troy Black. Troy Black.

SPEAKER_13

He's got our YouTube channel.

SPEAKER_04

Alright. Who is this guy?

SPEAKER_13

Daystar.

SPEAKER_04

God is showing. Okay, I'm finally showing what God told me about Daystar.

SPEAKER_13

Hey, while you're doing that, yeah. My bladder is full.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13

I will be right back.

SPEAKER_04

Okay. Alright, man. You go be right back. I will take a look at this. He's going, ha, yes. Alright, let's let's take a look at this. Who is Mr. Troy Black? But first, we gotta answer a YouTube question. One of these beverages have which one of these beverages have you seen on Ryan video advertising recently? Uh none of the above, and I don't care. Okay.

SPEAKER_11

Hey y'all, this is Troy. Um, so I have a couple prophecies to review today. These have to do with the Daystar Network. Um, this is gonna be very difficult for me to share, and it has been a very difficult week, not just for this reason, but other reasons as well, which I won't get into. Okay. But I am doing my best not to come as a judge, but to come as an impartial messenger. You're wanting me to go the Holy Spirit has asked me to do.

SPEAKER_04

You're gonna go to his YouTube channel and then just go to his videos list, all right. Oh, we might get sued. I saw something, what I saw coming. Let's do this is coming soon. Oh, we got two good options. Let's look at this one here. God showed me an oil pipeline and an explosion.

SPEAKER_11

Oh my goodness, what is gonna happen? This is what I heard April 9th.

SPEAKER_10

This is the word of knowledge that the Lord had given me that day. And I heard a pipeline malfunction. But the next thing I heard was, I'm gonna show you what is taking place soon. And then I heard the phrase an explosion.

SPEAKER_04

Okay. Let's see. Uh, you don't even have to watch his videos. They're his home page. Alright. Well, he says there's an explosion in the east, so I guess his uh his channel is entirely comprised of. I saw this coming. This is coming soon. Uh, what else is on its way? I saw it happening in summer, the biggest hopes. I saw this coming. Prophetic update. A truly shocking prophecy. Six prophecies occurring now. Okay, I gotcha. So this is just all the same stuff over and over again. Yeah. Click on his videos list. Alright. Let's see. Five years. Same blah blah blah. Major warning. I saw this coming this spring. A very sad warning. I saw this coming in three months. Three months ago. Ooh, this ought to be good. Let's see if what happened three months ago happened. I'm curious.

SPEAKER_10

Hey y'all, this is Troy Black. So the Holy Spirit recently gave me a word that involves something happening in three months. It's gonna be drastic. In this word, it involves people like Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, and specifically, he gave me a word about Governor Ron DeSantis as well. And what's happening within the conservative.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, it's pretty wild. Yeah, it's pretty nuts. That that's uh that's crazy. So is he actually going to get to it or is he gonna just filibuster for 20 minutes? Okay, so February 10th, 2026.

SPEAKER_10

This is what I heard on February 10th. So this is a separate word, um, but the Holy Spirit led me to put these two words together in the same video. So this has to do with what's happening in the conservative movement. And this is what I heard. I heard the Lord say, many of my people don't see what is going on.

SPEAKER_04

He literally claims every video is a prophecy. Really? That's not going to age well. Let's see. So, Trevor, just to fill you in, this gentleman said uh there's something drastic coming in three months. Well, it's been three months since he sent this video. So we're gonna see if uh if it's happened yet. Actually, I suspect that he's going to be so ambiguous in his wording, we'll have no idea what the heck was supposed to happen.

SPEAKER_10

But uh we'll find out. He said if Trump had not made it into power four years from now, they would have tried taking your liberties from you by force. When are they not doing it? Then I heard I'm in control and watching over every little thing that takes place. Uh-huh. So it's just a good reminder that, you know, we don't always have to like, you know, somebody that God puts into power. You know, maybe, maybe you're a huge Trump fan, maybe you're not. Okay. But that doesn't change the fact that, you know, when we quiet ourselves and and we are still before the Lord and we say, Lord, what do you want me to do politically? Who do you want me to support? Who do you want me not to support? That He wants to lead us and He wants to give us names, He wants to give us direction, He wants to show us what to do. And that's not always going to line up with our first choice, right? Sometimes it will, sometimes it won't. Yeah. But he has a reason. So if he's leading our swallowing whole, what they hear. And then the next thing I heard is the Lord said, This is people like Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson. How is that a prophecy?

SPEAKER_04

We are that's a that's an opinion.

SPEAKER_10

They intend evil though they think they present good. They intend evil, though they think they present good.

SPEAKER_04

Well how we've seen this before. Hey, you remember when Brandon Biggs did this about OSAS?

SPEAKER_13

Yeah. Yeah. He's just another Trump prophet.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, he yeah, Brandon Biggs was like, you can lose your salvation. I saw it in a vision. Okay? And this is the same crap. It's like, yeah, this is my opinion about Trump. And it's justified because God told me because it's a prophecy.

SPEAKER_13

Yeah, well, it sounds honestly. I'll bet you could get on Biggs' channel and find almost the exact same reading.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, probably. Probably.

SPEAKER_13

A few of the words are jumbled around.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Okay, man. I think we're good. What do you think? I think we've made our point. It's like agree with me, because I saw it in a vision.

SPEAKER_13

Prophesy. Well, I was looking at my subscriptions. I'm looking for I listened to an an elder elderly gentleman.

SPEAKER_04

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_13

And I'm trying to find him. He sounds more prophetic than any of these other guys. I I'm trying to find him.

SPEAKER_04

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_13

Unknown prophet.

SPEAKER_04

What?

SPEAKER_13

His channel's called Unknown Prophet.

SPEAKER_04

Unknown Prophet. Okay.

SPEAKER_13

He's he just seems more humble and down to earth.

SPEAKER_04

Okay. Well, we will cover that guy next time, alright? Because we gotta get off here. Okay. I think Cody Rage quit on us, so we probably know. He's a little tired. Yeah.

SPEAKER_13

I'm a little tired myself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Calix, appreciate you, man. Thank you for hanging out. And uh, we're gonna go ahead and let you all go. Um, so with all that being said, had a good time. So thank you all so much for watching. We'll see you next time. We hope you enjoyed this episode of Faith Fiction and Folklore. If you did, we would love it if you would subscribe to us on YouTube or follow us on Rumble. We can also be found on X, Instagram, and Facebook. And we are available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, and iHeartRadio. Thank you again very much for listening, and we'll see you next time.