Bible Reading Matthew 5:21-29

On this Episode we read Matthew chapter 5 verses 21-29 where Jesus is talking about heart posture.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:04

So we're doing Matthew 5 21. So here's the intro, Cody, whenever you're ready.

SPEAKER_01 0:09

All right. Hey, welcome to Faith Fiction and Folklore with the Tri F podcast, where we try not to F the podcast up. Uh today we're talking about Matthew 5 and the Beatitudes. We're starting on verse 21.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

All right. Matthew 21. And it's do you want to read, or should I? Sure. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 0:29

We have heard that it was said by them of old time, thou shalt not kill. And whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of judgment. I'm going to keep reading. Go for it. But I say unto you that whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whosoever shall say to his brother, Rah, shall be in danger of the council. But whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.

SPEAKER_00 0:58

All right, that is a very heavy passage. I think there's a lot of different things in there. Let me check one thing first, really quick. Uh so I've heard this. This is goes back to my King James only diatribe. So if you notice here in the King James Version, let me bring it back up. Um let's see, it says, brother, if if uh that whosoever is angry with a brother without a cause. So I remember that being key. Now if we switch it over to the NIV, give me a second to do that. Actually, before I do that, we got more comments from Calix. Calix says, I turned my phone. Oh, hang on a minute. Reddit is just another 4chan. I never used either. Yeah. I'm not, I don't even know if I I've heard of 4chan. I don't even know what it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

You don't know what 4chan is?

SPEAKER_00 1:55

No. I read.

SPEAKER_02 1:56

So 4chan was like Reddit before Reddit became a thing.

SPEAKER_00 2:01

Ah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:02

4chan was where everybody from Silk Road went after Silk Road got shut down.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

I don't even know what Silk Road is. Oh my god. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 2:12

Silk Road was the original Reddit.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

Silk Road. Why did we get an M.

SPEAKER_02 2:20

What do you blame?

SPEAKER_00 2:21

I'm not blaming anything.

SPEAKER_01 2:25

Did we just get spammed by the CIA?

SPEAKER_00 2:27

We got spammed by Bible Gateway. Holy crap.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

Okay, let me let me shortly explain what Silk Road was.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

So I I believe there was a CIA guy that got fired, and he was like he was like a freedom advocate, like he wanted total freedom. And when the whenever the internet first came out, he set up all these um ways to buy very illegal things, right?

SPEAKER_04 2:54

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

And it was called the Silk Road. And like you could buy grenades and snuff films or whatever. And so it got shut down, obviously. But and I think that guy went to jail.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

Yeah, it was part of the dark wave, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 3:08

Okay. Yeah. And so but yeah, those people all go places, man, after you shut stuff like that down. So um 4chan is where they went next. And now the internet's kind of like completely dead, as far as I know.

SPEAKER_00 3:26

It ain't looking good. It's been rough. It's not looking good.

unknown 3:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 3:29

What does raca mean? Rock, it's an air. Well, again, in the NIV, I don't know if there's like actual notes here. We'll get to that, but I'll say what I've heard so far and we'll see if it's right. So in the NIV, it's defined as a term of contempt, which I would take to mean as a cuss word. So if you cussed, you would be answerable to the council. If you said you fool, you would be answerable to God. So that's the basic structure of it as I originally understand it. Now I don't know what the we'll look at strongs and see if we can get some more context of it. But before we do that, I want to return to this without a cause thing. Because there's there's a lot to unpack in this one scripture. So in the King James, it says without a cause, and if we go to the NIV, assuming we don't get spammed by another Jamaican song. Jamaican song, I guess. Alright. And before I get to that, uh so come on, guys, do what I'm so frustrating. Yeah, that's what I thought. Okay, so before I get to that, let's let's look at uh let's finish reading Calix uh uh Calix's stuff here. Uh Reddit, 4chan, turned off my phone. He said, I like I turned my phone off, that's how much. And then he says, I like this show. Thank you, sir. And then there's a bunch of laughing faces, presumably when we got accosted by Jamaica. So all right. So there's that. Now, get this. When you look at the NIV version of the passage, and it says, You have heard it said, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, you shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment. But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to subject to judgment. Note which phrase they got rid of. Without a cause. Without a cause.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

So it's like I think it it harkens back to the uh the log or the moat and the splinter passage. So like if you're if you're like judging someone for smoking and you're smoking, that that's without a cause, right? Yeah. But if you're righteously judging someone, I mean I don't even know. Like if they're doing something that's hurting them, I guess that's a righteous judgment. Because you're like you want to help them, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 6:12

Yeah, my my bottom, my bottom line is one, the King James said implies that there is a context where it's appropriate to be angry, but this implies that there's not. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

If you remove without a cause, definitely subversive.

SPEAKER_00 6:26

Yeah, that's a very strategic omission.

SPEAKER_01 6:29

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

So I I'm just I'm just pointing that out because Westcott and Hort were evil. I don't know that, but you know, I don't trust them. So these modern translations, stuff like that always makes me go, uh, you know. So anyway, anybody have any other thoughts before I move on to the next point on this? Nope. Okay. So what was the next question? Let's get back to let's get back to the King James. I think we were gonna look up Raka next.

SPEAKER_01 7:03

Yeah, what is Raka versus and why is it not like, hey, you asshole. But if you call somebody a fool, you're endangered hellfire. That's kind of I don't understand that really.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

Well, we will look it up. Well, let's first get this definition kind of confirmed. Because I know what my my interpretation would be, but I want to make sure that we get the word right. Because again, in the NIV, of course it's the NIV, it says it's a term of contempt. So let's see. Strong's what does the word raca mean in Matthew? Um yeah, it's serving it like from a literary standpoint. Come on, give me the Bible. Why is it so hard to find these concordances now? I think you're right, dude.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

Dead internet, bro.

SPEAKER_00 8:07

Yeah, it's just it's just getting harder and harder to find stuff. It's ridiculous. I can't hardly find nothing. So, yes, I want the Bible lexicons, you goobers. Anyway, so I'm I'm got from the AI, because it would kill them to just give me a straight answer for a website. The AI, which is pulling this from the King James Bible dictionary, is saying that the word is derived from the Aramaic Reka, which is a highly derogatory insult that translates roughly to empty, worthless, empty-headed, or good for nothing. So it's a cuss word. It's just it's a cuss word. And according to these two sources, uh Calix is suggesting we use Duck Duck Go. Let me see if Duck DuckGo gets me a better result.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

Let me tell you what I see in this word. Uh what? So Ra Ra and Ka. So you got Ra is the sun god, right? So that's Satan worship. And then you got Kaw. Ka in the ancient Egypt was um you were whenever they died, you got buried in your tomb, they give it your Ka was your surroundings, like all the gold and stuff that they put around you, your treasures. Your Ka was your ego, kind of. So, so you got like an arrogant asshole.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

Greg, you're doing a lot of laughing. You you that sounds legit. Calics, you're a genius. I'm a linguist. See how high quality academics we are. So all right. Calyx, you're a genius. DuckDuckGo worked. Thank you, sir. So, okay, uh, yeah, so this is Strong's. Uh, we got uh it's marked as uh 4469 Rock uh um yeah, you good for nothing to his brother, you good for nothing, shall be guilty. Yeah, so it's all kind of saying the same thing good for nothing, worthless.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

Yeah, I mean, think about it, good for nothing. Like if you're only concerned with yourself, you're not good for anybody else. So it's it's a big ass ego.

SPEAKER_00 10:19

So it's an Aramaic curse word. Yeah, I would just want to point out that Jesus did not go. Those of you who call somebody the R word are guilty before the council.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

Just throwing that out there. I shouldn't, but I bring it up because in the comments section we have gotten some criticism for our colorful vocabulary. And I just want to bring it out. Christ did not say the R word. So there you go. Now, I I will give my interpretation of what I think the scripture is actually saying. I it's I think what it's basically pointing out is yes, there are certain words that are considered worse than others, but God is not necessarily paying attention to you know the precise syllables you're using, he's paying attention to your intention. Like, why are you cussing? Why are you calling somebody a name? Why are you using the words that you're using? So let me give you an example of what I mean. I would argue that if, like, say you're a construction worker and you know, you guys are like cussing and calling each other names or whatever to build rapport, like I've seen people do this, so it's like, hey, you sorry SOB, how you doing? You know, or it's like that that kind of thing. Like if you're building rapport with it, I would say you're not sinning. But if you call somebody a goober in traffic, no, you're not technically cussing, but if you mean it and you're calling the person a name because you're mad, then you are sinning. You understand? Like in intention is what defines whether or not something is a word.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

A sin. I'm glad you use that analogy because it's something I need to work on.

SPEAKER_00 12:02

Oh, me too. All the time.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

Like, you know, this is all I I have a perfect moral compass until I stub my toe, and then you know, I just no, mine's specifically with driving, because I can separate the person from the car, and so I'm like just yelling at a car, it feels like I'm just yelling at a car. Yeah, but I'm actually like cursing a person, and that's not good.

SPEAKER_03 12:22

Yeah, it should be self-evident that the words you're using are not actually what God cares about because the words have words have changed so much. Like, if you read some of the old medieval texts, like they use words just nonchalantly, like priests will use words like shit and the C-word, just because that was the words they used. Yeah. It wasn't considered profanity. They had a whole other their definition of cursing was totally different than what ours are. So words change. So the idea that the words you're saying themselves are actually what is sinful is just asinine and silly, and we should be better than that.

SPEAKER_00 13:00

I completely agree. I completely agree. And however, there are a lot of people who do not feel that way, and they they dig in their heels about it. But they use a lot of like scriptures that are talking about like kind of vaguer terms, you know, like you should trying to think of one. I read one in Proverbs not too long ago. It was like being forward in your speech. You know, they'll use like verses that kind of have like a vague terminology that's slightly broader, you know what I mean? Like let no one a wholesome thing come out of your lips or something like that. Let me I I should probably pull up a specific verse, but you know, anyway. Uh I would think oh, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 13:44

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 13:44

Uh before I go on, uh Calyx said, let's go 100%, and he starts laughing. Yeah. No, dude, I'm a I appreciate the duck duck go thing because I was banging my head against the wall. Google was not letting me pull up strongs, even though, like, not even two months ago I could use Google to pull up strongs. It's really frustrating. So, and then Jeremiah was making fun of me not too long ago for using strongs. Remember that? He was like, get out them strongs, boys. You know? So anyway.

SPEAKER_01 14:13

Um, I think the more that you more you express emotion into the physical world, hang on.

SPEAKER_04 14:18

Yeah. Yeah, green.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

Sorry, anybody had a cat fight. Um the more you express your your you make your inner world come out, right? Um the demons can use that, man. So like the more you express your like anger, um like the worse off you are. If you just like let it go, give it to God, you don't have to voice it, then it doesn't become real. It's just a thought. Yeah, I think you're you're manifesting a thought is what you're doing, like cursing someone.

SPEAKER_00 14:58

I think Paul says something to the effect of everything that you say needs to be for for the purpose of building somebody up in some respect. So even if you're like calling somebody a name or being angry, it's like you might like, for example, Christ is yelling at the Pharisees. Well, he's doing that to for the crowd because the crowd treats these people like they're an authority figure. You know, these guys are the religious experts, they know what's right and wrong, and so he dresses them down. And I don't think he's doing that out of malice. I think A, he's doing it because it's probably the best chance to save the priests since they're so arrogant, they've never actually been represented.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

Yeah, yeah, it's idle smashing.

SPEAKER_00 15:33

But it's yeah, it's also knocking them off the pedestal for the crowd. So I think you just need to be intentional and you need to be thinking, okay, how is my how do my words benefit somebody? And that should always be our objective whenever we talk. Now, and there are going to be cases where cussing becomes appropriate, you know. If you know, like for example, like in my own experience, I've run around of like rougher crowds, and if you sit there and act squeamish around about cussing, they won't even talk to you. Like you can't even hardly begin a dialogue because they don't trust you. You know, they they think you're you're like, oh, this isn't one of those guys we've got to tiptoe around, or he's gonna get on to us about our language all the time. And it just shuts down a conversation. Now, you don't need to start cussing with them, but you know, you don't have to necessarily go, stop using that language. That language is so bad.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

Why do you I can't stand people like that?

SPEAKER_00 16:29

You know, it's like it's not setting an example for God to do that. Because it's just, you know, maybe they don't think cussing is wrong, so why should they listen to you? You know, that kind of attitude. And they just think, okay, well, I've got to be careful around this person. So what are you accomplishing? I mean, if you're uncomfortable with cussing, you don't have to join them, but yeah, rebuking them over that stuff can be a little annoying. So anyway, that's my that's my assessment of it. I think Christ is saying, yeah, you can get in trouble with people if you cuss, but God is really concerned about all your language and why you're saying what you're saying. That's how I read it. So anybody have any other thoughts? No, nothing. Okay. Spot on. Alright. So that's all of 22. That didn't take as long as I thought it would.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

No, that wouldn't matter at all.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:25

I just hang on. Yes. Thou fool. Like, why is it like thou fool? What does that mean? Like, what why is that so condemned?

SPEAKER_00 17:34

Well, I like I was saying Yeah, I think that's more of a generic. This would be my assumption. Now we can look it up and check. Um, and so I will.

SPEAKER_01 17:45

But sorry, am I am I going backwards?

SPEAKER_02 17:47

I think it was just I think it was just adding on to the Raca.

SPEAKER_00 17:51

Because that's kind of what rock is well starting with and then it's making a dichotomy, and I'm I'm trying to suss out what it's juxtaposing the two words, and I've always assumed basically because yeah, I I think fool is more of a generic term. Thou fool would be more generic, and it's like you're in danger of the fire of hell. The juxtaposition is one term may not be considered as socially egregious, but if you mean it, then you're still sinning, is kind of the way I've always read that phrase. Does that make sense? So it's like, if I like, okay, for example, like in misery, um, she has a whole bunch of colorful words that she uses to get around cuss words, you know what I mean? Like a brat, you know, it's like you're a brat, you know. Well, that's not as bad as calling somebody an SOB, but it's still bad because her intention is to insult and demean, you know what I mean? It goes back to intention heart. But we don't want to be unthorough, so I will look that up really quick. So let me see if I can actually pull up the entire verse. Uh yes.

SPEAKER_03 18:57

It'd be like the difference of like if I was to call you an SOB versus look you in the eye and say, Yeah, you're a moron.

SPEAKER_00 19:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:07

One moron is not profan considered profanity, but that is still sinful.

SPEAKER_00 19:13

Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 19:15

Or if you want to go with a Southern bell. Bless your heart.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

Yeah, there you go. Oh, well, bless your heart. Ain't that the most condescending thing you hear when some people say that? Oh, bless your heart. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

Oh, let's. Yeah, I guess it's probably all about intention, and we're just not familiar with the language of the time.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

God's more worried about what's on your heart than.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

Yeah, hang on, guys.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

I'm I am sure we got frozen crazy.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

Well, you guys keep talking while I'll try to figure out how to pull up this whole verse. I'm trying to because if I just type in if I just type in thou fool, then I'm gonna get like a million places where it says that. So I need to pull up the whole verse. So yeah, give me a minute here.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

I wonder if it's referring to um like uh love your love your neighbor as yourself, right? So if you like man, I don't know. I don't know. I want to move on.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

Yeah, okay, yeah. So the word is you want to move on. I'm tired. I'm so tired. So okay, the word for fool here is called, yeah, it's dull, stupid, moray, morose, you know. So yeah, it's just more generic, it's a broader term. Yeah. Okay. It's a it's a I I would argue it's probably culturally a more broad term for you know, somebody being an idiot.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

So well, I I guess the next verse is actually explain this more, so we're we're kind of pissing in the wind together.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

Okay, all right, hang on. Okay, I'll see if I can't find anything maybe later that kind of gives maybe a cultural context because that might be helpful, but we'll move on. So for now.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

I mean, it keeps explaining the verse here, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

Uh Calyx also said Calyx also said I agree, so I assume we're on the right track. So there you go.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

Uh therefore, if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there remembers that thy brother hath aught against thee, leave there thy gift before the altar, go thy way, first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. To me, that's like uh God won't forgive you until you forgive your brother.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

I think that yeah, I think that's right. I think you have to like, you know, deal with your reconcile your own issues before you start going to God and like strife can be a hindrance to your relationship with them type of thing. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

You can't ask for for his hand to guide you if You're pushing it away with your with your resentment.

SPEAKER_00 22:04

Yeah. I agree.

SPEAKER_01 22:09

Um agree with thine adversary quickly. Whilst thou art in the way with him, lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge. The judge deliver thee to the officer and be cast into prison. So just let people be wrong and walk all over you until they see it.

SPEAKER_00 22:31

I don't know if I'd go that far. I think it's just more reiterating, you know, make peace with people as far as it is up to you, as Paul says.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

Well, if you disagree with the person who's unhinged and wrong, you're not making peace, I can assure you.

SPEAKER_00 22:45

Yes, but you don't want to lie to them. Because they're just gonna spy. If you pacify them, you're just gonna lie to them. You're just lying. There's a way to say things nicely, I would say.

SPEAKER_04 22:56

Yeah. You wouldn't call them Raqqa, for example.

SPEAKER_00 23:00

I guess in the modern day you could call them Raqqa because they wouldn't know what you were talking about. Yeah. So or you could just go moros. Alright. Alright, what's next? Uh so 26. Do you want me to pick it up or do you want to keep going?

SPEAKER_01 23:16

Uh I can keep going. All right. Verily I say unto thee, thou shalt by no means come out thence till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing. Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

Yeah. Bible Gateway, this is not a good way to uh guarantee a clientele. There are other Bible apps out there. Just just throwing that out there. All right, sorry. No worry. Yeah, that's right. We're we're we're over the target. So the CIA is like, we can't let them know what raka means.

SPEAKER_01 23:57

Oh, for sure. Yeah. All right. It's like it's like it's like the knights who say knee. And it's so like every time we say raka, the CIA is like, he's talking about us.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

So okay.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

Speaking of I can't hear that word. Alright, 26. I'm gonna read it again. Thou shalt by no means come out thence till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

So it's settling down. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:35

Am I wrong to equate that to like um the uttermost farthing being like the girl, the the girl with the two pennies at in the offering plate? I think what it's like it's it's because it cost her a lot that it was worth a lot.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

Well, I think what it's saying is you need to sell your debts and make stuff right quickly. Like you need to prioritize getting like getting out of debt and getting getting out of uh situations where you're indebted to somebody else because if you get called on that, then you're gonna have to pay for the whole thing. So it's just like get out of situations where you're indebted quickly.

SPEAKER_03 25:11

I feel like we're a little confused because it's we're we've broken up into verses, whereas you know, in the original text, there's no breaks in the verses, huh? Yeah, I I I feel like verse numbers are kind of our own our own thing that we've added in to help us read it. But in this case, I don't know that that's a good breaking point.

SPEAKER_00 25:29

Yeah, I think sorry, go on, Greg.

SPEAKER_03 25:31

Yeah, I feel like that should have been in the last verse or it's seems to go with the last verse, huh?

SPEAKER_00 25:37

Right, you're right.

SPEAKER_03 25:39

Right.

SPEAKER_01 25:39

That was my fault.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

Yeah, no, you're right. It seems like 25 and 26 are part of the same thought. So okay, 27.

SPEAKER_01 25:50

This is a break, so you can take it.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

Okay. Sorry. Ye have heard it said, heard that it was said by them of old time, thou shalt not commit adultery. But I say unto you that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Can I go back to the NIV again? I want to go back to the NIV. There's a very important distinction here, I think. So look at the wording, look at the word, we're look at the preposition, to, right? To lust after her hath committed adultery in his heart. So you've got that, but let me switch over really quick. Hang on. This should just take a few seconds. We're gonna go back to the NIV.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

Oh yeah. Why are you still using Bible Gateway, bro?

SPEAKER_00 26:46

I don't know. Because I I guess I'm just used to the format. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

That's like Spanish post Malone right there.

SPEAKER_00 26:56

That's horrible. It it didn't used to do that. Why did it start doing that? That's crazy. I guess. Oh my gosh. Alright, new international version. That is silly. We are the knights that say rocking. Oh my gosh. It's not even letting me pause it. I think that's at least entertaining. Oh my gosh. Okay, so. I guess. Holy crap.

SPEAKER_02 27:44

They really don't want us doing this.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

I guess not. I guess not. Jiminy Christmas. And why in the world are you letting like letting Amazon advertise on Bible Gateway anything? They're probably they're probably advertising something completely degenerate in another language. So I don't know. You're not representing very well Bible Gateway.

SPEAKER_01 28:06

Being pretty mean to Spanish post Malone, buddy.

SPEAKER_00 28:08

Oh, I know. I know. I'm sorry, the women in the mid-drifts gyrated, made me made me suspect hedonism.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

So L post Malone.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, all right. Now this is what it says in the NIV. You have heard that it was said you shall not commit adultery, but I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has committed already committed adultery with her in his heart. So note what's missing. The preposition.

SPEAKER_01 28:36

Oh, two.

SPEAKER_00 28:38

Yeah. Why do you think they would strategically why do you think they strategically sorry, go on, Cody.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

I I'm answering your question before you asked it. They're trying to uh say they're trying to make it confusing. It's like you can't look at a woman without you can't talk to a woman without talking, like looking at her, right? It's like it like we're allowed to talk to people. And so they're trying to make you feel guilt for even talking to anyone, you know, like you know, but if you have the intention to lust after her, that's what it's saying.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

That's exactly right. Intention. Intention is what what the King James is establishing attention, saying, okay, if you look with the intention of lusting, you have committed adultery in their heart. This makes it sound like any sort of errant thought is automatically lust.

SPEAKER_04 29:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

It turns it from something, it moves it from intention to thought crime. Yeah, that's what they're doing.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:39

Thought crime.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

So they're creating this ambiguous sense of guilt to peep put people on edge. It's and that's my suspicion, anyway.

SPEAKER_01 29:48

Oh, I like it. I'm I'm in total agreement with you.

SPEAKER_00 29:50

All right. Anybody else have any thoughts?

SPEAKER_03 29:54

No, that's yeah, it's exactly what they did.

SPEAKER_04 29:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

I'll keep uh I'll keep the NIB an NIV version up over here. Okay. So if you want, so you don't keep going back and forth.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

That would be helpful. That'd probably speed this process up. Let me ask you guys a question. Why do you think they're doing that? Why do you think they're making because bear in mind, whenever the atheist debates were going on in the 20 teens, they would be like, there's no major doctrinal changes. Yeah, there's some differences, but the Bible doesn't have these versions, they don't have major doctrinal changes. I would consider everything that we've read major doctrinal changes. So, number one, that's they're lying. Number two, why do you think they're making these changes? What do you guys think the intention would be?

SPEAKER_01 30:42

Because Satan is the ruler of this world, bro.

SPEAKER_03 30:48

What do you think, Gary?

SPEAKER_00 30:50

I think I need to get to the King James verse before I get before I get to this fully. Um, I think what they're doing. No, I'm just trying to get back to where I was on the Bible Gateway. That's all. Okay, okay. You have something. Ha! I'm smarter. Okay. All right.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

You can just leave your tab up and I'll keep the NIV up over here.

SPEAKER_00 31:14

Yeah, I would appreciate that, Trevor. That would make this much simpler. So what I think, I think that they are trying to create a situation where. Yeah, I think they're trying to legitimize thought crime. They're trying to create what I call ambiguous guilt. Where it's like, okay, how many seconds does it take to staring at a woman before it becomes lustful? You can't measure that. You don't know exactly when something essentially like definitively becomes lustful if it's an errant thought. Does that make sense? Now, if you say two and you imply intention, then the line becomes obvious. You're looking at a girl with the intention of like longing after her. You know, you know when you're doing that on purpose. So there's no ambiguity there. If you are angry at somebody without a cause, you know that you're doing that. That's not like an instinctive reaction. Like you're angry at that person because you're bitter about something else, or there's some other context, and you're holding resentment, even though that resentment might not have anything to do with the specific situation you're in. You know? So they're they're getting rid of the intentionality components in the scripture and equivocating like sin with like errant thoughts and impulses and reactions. That keeps everybody ambiguously guilty and on edge. And it makes them think, oh, I have to change something about my heart, even though nobody knows what in the world that would mean.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

Right.

SPEAKER_00 32:44

That's what I think.

SPEAKER_01 32:45

It's you're you nailed it guilt. Demons feed on guilt, man. And so when you have like this this unfounded guilt, it doesn't matter where it came from or if it's real, it's like the the demons still get in your mind and tell you you're bad. Right.

SPEAKER_00 32:59

Well, they can maintain a level of control over you, like nefarious people, if you don't know what the lines are, if there's ambiguity in your moral ethos, if you don't know what necessarily is and isn't a sin, well, they get to tell you.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

And so it's about messiah.

SPEAKER_00 33:15

Well, it's about diluting the precise meaning of things. It's about blurring lines, so you're more dependent on like a leadership or something. That's my suspicion. Feel free to push back if you think I'm wrong.

SPEAKER_01 33:28

Yeah, you know it's I agree.

SPEAKER_00 33:32

So all right.

SPEAKER_02 33:35

We could call it the blurry gospel. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:39

Calix says, I call it getting even. Well, that's because you're a sinner, Calix. How dare you? So okay. I think we're done with the Bible readings for this evening. Alright, where are we at here? Huh? You don't want to plug your eye out? Huh? Not tonight. Uh so Tre Trevor, were you gonna say something?

SPEAKER_02 34:09

Did we make it all the way through five or no?

SPEAKER_00 34:12

Uh, hang on. You've heard it said El Sean committed adultery, he's already committed adultery from his heart. So we we are at 28. We finished 28, and we're going that means we'll be on 29. I mean, I guess we could read 29 just so 30 would be easier to remember. So, for me next week. And I won't look like a complete idiot or racca this time.

SPEAKER_01 34:36

So we'll probably start on 29 next week. Let's go ahead and read it.

SPEAKER_00 34:39

Okay, so let's do 29 this week, and then we'll do 30 next week. Okay, so 29. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out and cast it from thee, for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. I have one point that I want to. I have one point that I want to add to this. Um, this is just me, and you can push back if you like. I don't think this is another one of those removing temptation verses like it's used. I think this is a pruning metaphor, because there's a lot of times in the gospels where the Bible is using pruning metaphors. And the thing about the hand and the thing about the eye is that they're connected to you. And that would mean that in order for you to defeat a sinner to get rid of sin, there's some part of you that has to die. You have to remove something connected to you. Something's maybe it's a bad belief, maybe it's you know, something, whatever it is, it's something in the inner man that has to get pruned off. I don't think this is a building a mode around yourself to avoid temptations thing. I think this is you have to prune yourself to get rid of sin.

SPEAKER_04 35:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:50

That would be my belief.

SPEAKER_01 35:51

So thoughts. Yeah. Um, is there is there a verse that sorry, Greg, did you have something to say? No, no, I'm getting no. Okay, I've been talking too much. Um is there a verse that talks about I don't know where it is. It talks about um making the tree produce good fruit. It's in Matthew. I don't remember what verse it is.

SPEAKER_00 36:22

I know what you're referring to. There's um there's like vine passages and pruning passages in John. Um when that when that conversation about the Holy Spirit takes place. I am the vine, you are the branches. So there's that section. There's also um you will know them by their fruit with referring to false prophets. Um that's I think in Matthew as well. So there's there's different places where those pruning analogies are there. So, and like you know, dead branches being cast into the fire and that sort of thing. Yes, yes. So they show up multiple times.

SPEAKER_01 36:56

Yeah, I don't know where it is. I read it earlier, actually, but anyways, yeah, that's all it reminds me of.

SPEAKER_00 37:04

Okay. That's my interpretation.

SPEAKER_01 37:07

Cut down the bad trees and let the let the good trees grow, you know?

SPEAKER_00 37:12

Yeah. I just think that the eye and the hand thing are pruning analogies, since you see pruning analogies other places in the gospel. That's my point.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

Yeah, I like it.

SPEAKER_00 37:24

All right, Trevor, you got any thoughts?

SPEAKER_02 37:27

Jesus was divine, and we are de branches.

SPEAKER_00 37:31

There you go.

SPEAKER_01 37:35

Was that a pun? That was a pun. Divine?

SPEAKER_02 37:41

DeBranches.

SPEAKER_01 37:42

Oh, we froze.

SPEAKER_00 37:43

Oh, just in case anybody thought I'd said something profound, we had to insert a dad joke. It'll work.

unknown 37:52

Alright.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

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