FFF Episode 293

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SPEAKER_01 0:05

Okay, well, speaking of crushing, Cody, this next subject is yours. Would you like to lead us? Would you like to lead us in and explain what what this vice subject is about?

SPEAKER_03 0:15

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 0:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 0:17

Welcome to Fake Fiction and Folklore or the Tri F podcast, where we try not to F the podcast up. Um today we're talking about vices. Um and I didn't write anything down. I've just been kind of raw dogging this last week and uh garnering you know what information I could. So I've gone one week without uh Mary J, right? So whenever I started quitting, I discovered it was it was what I was doing was trying to make myself feel better. I was regulating myself, right? So every time I would feel bad, I would you know smoke or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

I don't have any vices, just so you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:05

Oh so what I what I discovered was I started fasting, you know, and it became a lot easier to to drop, you know, whatever habit it is, because what you're doing is making yourself feel better, right? So you quit smoking, and then so in in lieu of that, you start eating something, right? Or what you can even be working out, you could get addicted to working out to make yourself feel better, which I don't think is healthy, to be honest. Um I I think the only thing that you can you should have to be rightly regulated is God, is prayer, right? And so it's like when Jesus says, Um, I have food that you know nothing about, he's talking about like a spiritual download from God. Um and it's like I I also noticed that whenever you get hungry, when you're fasting, you're not actually hungry, it's your body trying to trick you into eating something. Because it goes away. It's like a like once you get rid of that feeling, like I need to make myself feel better, that hunger goes away too. It's very fascinating. Um, I would really suggest a week of like the water fast idea, just a week of nothing but water. It's a great idea. Because and I also think when you read the gospels like parables, and you're fasted, you get a lot more out of them. Like you can see more layers to them.

SPEAKER_02 2:52

It's it's it's pretty cool. That's that's why it's talked about so much in the New Testament, fasting and prayer. Dude, it's it's huge. It's huge. It's not something that we do in our culture much, but it's it's powerful.

SPEAKER_01 3:05

Greg, didn't you say that there was what I I'm gonna butcher the name of it? What's it called? The Diadica or something like that. Uh the earliest? Yeah, the Diadochi, yeah. It's the first Christian book about religious protocol. I read it once.

SPEAKER_02 3:20

It's basically like a handbook for new baby Christians.

SPEAKER_01 3:23

Yeah, and it talks about a weekly regular fast. Like there's one day a week or supposed to last or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 3:29

Yeah, two days a week or something like that was the protocol. I don't remember. Which days?

SPEAKER_01 3:33

Look it up really quick.

SPEAKER_03 3:36

Um the Muslims have uh what's it called? Do you know? Ramadan. Ramadan. I think that's actually a really cool practice that everybody should do. Like just because it's hard.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Very cool.

SPEAKER_03 3:49

When you when you when you do hard things, it makes easy things easier. Right?

SPEAKER_00 3:56

Yeah, I did a fast for a few days, and uh I was cooking dinner after work, and my family is they're very picky eaters sometimes. All the time. But um, I cooked some of the best meals I'd ever cooked during that time.

SPEAKER_03 4:16

Because it wasn't for you, you didn't have your own thoughts diluting it.

SPEAKER_00 4:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:20

It's amazing, dude. It's so cool, it's super meta.

SPEAKER_01 4:25

Alright, so the Google AI is saying that it is the Dia Excuse me, the Didda Did it the Dida Dia Docci. D-I-D-A-C-H-E, written 50 to 120 AD, and it's known as the teaching of the 12 apostles. And in here it talks about costume protocol.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

I didn't know about that. Yeah, it's it's an early one. It mentions I I've got it, I've read it. It's it mentions a lot of like basic stuff for like new Christians and how to act, because you got to think about the fact that new converts to Christianity were coming from Rome, where you know it was all hedonism and drunken orgies and stuff. These all just very basic stuff, like don't don't do these things. Don't have orgies. It actually mentions abortion, it mentions abortion. Yeah, like don't we don't do that. Yeah. And then the whole like chapter about like false prophets and how to deal with people who come in come in claiming to be you know prophets or whatever. There's a whole chapter.

SPEAKER_03 5:32

Speaking of that, was this was this written before Paul?

SPEAKER_01 5:35

No, this is after Paul.

unknown 5:37

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 5:38

Sorry, that was a joke.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

One of these days we're gonna do one of these Bible readings over the epistles, and I am going to go after you mercilessly.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

So I just want you to bring out the apologetics.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

I will bring out the apologetics of Paul. Holy crap.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

So we love you, Gary.

SPEAKER_03 6:01

He's in acts too. Wait, did you say Paul was an act or no?

SPEAKER_01 6:09

He's in acts. Oh, these puns are killing me. Holy cow. All right, Caly.

SPEAKER_03 6:17

I apologize.

SPEAKER_01 6:20

That hurt a little. That hurt. I felt a lurchy.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

I'd say it was punny. It's pun. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 6:28

Okay, Kalux says, um, you don't need to quit. You just need to grow your own. And then he's talking, then he says, GRLINE. And he says, hits way harder. Question mark. Soin. He's talking about your hunger hormone. Krelin's your hunger hormone. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 6:48

And uh you don't need to- I have grown my own before. Do what?

SPEAKER_01 6:52

Oh, sorry. No, you're your answer in his first one, so go on.

SPEAKER_03 6:56

Yeah, I've grown my own before. Um I think it's I think it's useful, like, because it does like it calms down your nervous system. So if you're in like a bad way, I mean it's not like it the thing is like getting used to it and making it using it to make yourself feel better all the time. Like it's because you you can't sustain that, you know. And and I think it keeps you away from a lot of the blessings of God, personally. I think when you're when you're trying to run your own life, you're not letting God run your life.

SPEAKER_04 7:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:34

That simple. Yeah. Yeah, no, I think I think I don't I don't disagree with anything you've said. I I just hate your dad jokes, but you know, that's okay. Uh yeah. So, okay. So you had a broader question that was interesting to me. Um, the idea of men being able to live without vice. Now I'll bring this up and I'll I'll take this in a specific direction because we're kind of free, like we're improving this section. But what you're what I feel like you're essentially getting at is like the concept of uh living without habitual sins or addictions or that kind of thing. And uh, we're talking about vices.

SPEAKER_02 8:16

What do we call consider vice? Is vice okay.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

Yeah, let's start there.

SPEAKER_02 8:19

Let's let's vice equals end, is it's a bar equal vice.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

How do you what do you define as a vice, Cody?

SPEAKER_03 8:25

I think it's something that you're using to make yourself feel better. Um, because it becomes it becomes like think of vice, like a something you clamp, a clamp, right? A vice is something that keeps you sedentary, right? It keeps you still. So if you're constantly using something to make yourself feel better, you're you're always staying in the same spot. Like I my business has started moving faster this week, man. Like things have changed. Um and I it I think I think when you use something to make yourself feel better, you are imparting a demon to help you get through. And that demon needs payment back. Okay, and that comes at a cost of your your your livelihood. That comes at you know, I mean, obviously your finances like cigarettes are really expensive. Um so I mean that that's that's a literal way of looking at it that keeps you stuck in one spot as far as like your finances. Um and even food, like I don't know. It's it's it's pretty meta, dude. I I can't explain everything. I I would really suggest everybody trying it.

SPEAKER_01 9:46

But let's chase this idea a little bit. Uh first, um, Calyx says, I haven't smoked weed in months, but I had RSO like three weeks ago. And then he adds, but I'm growing my own and waiting till I can smoke it. I refuse to go to the dispensary anymore. I would actually highly recommend that because there's something wrong with the weed that people are uh growing. Like I've never smoked it myself, but I can tell you when we were living in Seattle, like it was it was strong. And it would it would like put people in like a like I don't know, like a zombie state. Like they were just like in a coma, you know. Yeah, like you would literally I mean, I don't know if they were just smoking weed, but you would smell weed all over the place in downtown Seattle, and you would literally see people just kind of like standing and swaying in the sidewalk in front of everyone. There was one girl who was doing some kind of course I wouldn't blame pot on this, but I you know, there was one girl doing some kind of weird dance and like tidy whiteys. Like she had her clothes on and then she'd put tidy whiteys over it, and she was doing some kind of weird dance and like on the sidewalk. It was Seattle was a weird place, man. That was demonic. Yeah, it was. But uh, yeah, the the the pot was so strong that you know you could literally smell it, like I was telling you this last week, actually, or the week I was down there. But you could smell it in the intersection when you were waiting for the light to turn. Somebody would be smoking it on the sidewalk, and it would just like you feel like you're it's just really strong and really potent in your car because it was just getting that far away, getting that close to the street.

SPEAKER_03 11:37

Have you never drove through Georgia?

SPEAKER_01 11:39

Through Georgia? No.

SPEAKER_03 11:40

Well go drive through Atlanta, go drive through Atlanta, Georgia on the highway. It smells like read.

SPEAKER_01 11:47

Yeah, they're doing something to it, and they're making it stronger than normal.

SPEAKER_02 11:51

I I remember I haven't I haven't smoked in years at this point, but yeah, I remember in high school, you know, you'd have some somebody just bring something they grew in the woods, and it's like that was one thing. And then you know, when I got in my 20s, I'd buy some and it just would just lay you flat. And it's like this isn't even fun. Like, why would you right? I don't know what they've done to it, but it's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 12:17

I would say to your point, they so like definitely you got like Monsanto, right? They can't they can't keep those crops bug free without spraying some kind of harsh chemical on them. It's just not feasible, yeah. It's not financially feasible, it's they can't do it, right? Yeah, so I would say to extrapolate that down to weed, it's like there's this huge demand for it. They can't they can't spend every day like it's it's just not functional to have you know an employee for every four plants, tending four plants, right? They have to have a whole warehouse full and like three employees. Well, they've got I think they've got a big so they have to use chemicals and stuff like that to keep the mold down, and so you're you're smoking chemicals, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

I think that's a lot of it. I also think they got more money and resources and they can breed the stronger. Oh, for sure. And I think that's a big part of it. Um now back to this demon concept, uh, generally speaking. So when you say you're feeding a demon, is the demon? I don't know if you're speaking like literally, if you're speaking kind of like in an allegorical sense to communicate the concept, but is whatever the case may be, is the demon rooted in like an emotional flaw, or is it rooted in the pot or the food or this the vice itself? Like where does the demon reside?

SPEAKER_03 13:44

It comes from an idea and it manifests eventually. So, like an a demon is an ideologue. So saying, I need this weed to regulate my nervous system because I'm broken, I'm flawed. Um and I don't believe, and I don't believe God can heal me, so I use this instead.

SPEAKER_01 14:06

Okay, so the demon is residing in the attitude, it's in the thought. So okay.

SPEAKER_03 14:10

Yes, and then eventually you become a um I I guess I used the wrong word, an ideologue for the weed, right? And so you're like you're pushing it to other people and you're spreading this this false god.

SPEAKER_01 14:26

Okay. You become let's see, that it's not ideologue, what would be the term? Um you become an advocate. Yeah, advocate, okay. So and almost like uh a proxy for the substance itself, maybe.

SPEAKER_03 14:40

Yes, yes, 100%. Okay, and so but like demons don't care what you're what you think they are, as long as they're getting worship, as long as you're not worshiping God, that's what they care about.

SPEAKER_01 14:55

Yeah. Well, also I think it helps that or serves their purposes, let's say, to get people in a place where they don't know how to use God for comfort, they don't know how to use God to help them process what they're going through. Which, you know, I'm not gonna throw stones on that score by any stretch, but uh but yeah, so no, I think I understand what you're saying. So can a man live without a vice? And should a man live without a vice?

SPEAKER_03 15:35

What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 15:37

Oh, what do I think? Oh goodness. Uh I think he should live without vices. Uh I would I would add a question as to at what point does something become a vice? How do you like is it hypothetically possible for the concept of moderation? I think you'd have to ask that question first. Because a lot of, you know, obviously, for example, with alcohol, now a lot of people think you can drink in moderation, and if you drink in moderation, it's not a vice. Um, now if I were to answer my own hypothetical, and I'm just I'm I'm literally thinking out loud, so I'm not, I don't, I'm not going anywhere in particular. I would say when posing that question, I would say, okay, if you're using the substance to self-medicate, whatever it is, it's a vice. Um moderation is fine. Like say you're drinking for a social outing, I wouldn't get drunk. You know, I do think the Bible's pretty clear about getting drunk. I don't think it's a sin to drink, though. Um But you know, if you're smoking, let's say that's let's say that's the way you're building rapport, that might be okay, maybe. But if you're using it to deal with, like as you say, deal with your own problems, you know, then it's probably then it transitions into a vice. Yes. So I think that's where I'd go with that.

SPEAKER_03 17:09

Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I don't think it would be like a sin to like if you have a group of people that you're hanging out with, I mean, like would it be a sin to do it? I mean, I think that's a that's a personal question on your your own journey, man. Like, because if if you're at a point where you're you're completely just discipling to people, that's it. Well, let me do that effectively, hi.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

Well, let me read a Bible passage. And again, I don't have an agenda and I'm not going anywhere specific with it. This is these aren't rhetorical questions. I'm just I'm just uh I'm brainstorming. I don't know whose case I'm even making. So let me go to Proverbs. Give me just a second. And we shall return to the cesspool that is becoming Bible Gateway. Because they keep playing Amazon commercials.

SPEAKER_02 18:17

Say we need some music.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

Yeah, we need to use this. Yeah, where's where's my Jamaican music? I demand my Jamaican music. So, all right, here we go.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

We got used to it.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

So, this is a verse. Apologies, it's gonna seem like quote mining, but let's look at this. So, Proverbs 31, six through nine. Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Give him drink and forget his poverty. Let him drink and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more. Open thy mouth for the dumb and the ca and the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction. Thy mout open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and the needy. So, I don't know why it included eight and nine, that seems to be starting a different thought, but what are you guys' thoughts on six and seven? Six and seven. Oh, we're lame old people.

SPEAKER_03 19:23

Um I I don't get it.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

Okay, do you want me to read all of thirty-one to get it more context? Would that help? Tell me the verse. Proverbs Proverbs chapter 31. Um this is not Solomon, this is King Lemuel. And this is a prophecy that his mother taught him, which is another interesting point. Prophecy does not always mean telling the future. Prophecy has like different meanings depending on the book and context, I think. Anyway, while you're looking that up, let me catch up with Calix's stuff. So let's see. What is it? Proverbs 31. Proverbs chapter 31. Verses 6 and 7. Uh Calix says, I haven't worked in two years, bro. Don't tell me to get a job at Taco Bell. Ha ha ha. I should be doing HVAC, but I'm not fast enough for manual labor in general. Ha ha.

SPEAKER_03 20:28

I don't know what any of that means. Uh add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee and thou be found a liar. Two things I have required of thee, deny me them not before I die. Remove far from me vanity and lies, give me neither poverty nor riches. Feed me with food convenient for me. Lest I be full and deny thee, and say, Who is the Lord? Or lest I be poor and steal and take the name of God in vain.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

Are you uh are you on 31?

SPEAKER_03 21:06

30 verse 1, what'd you say?

SPEAKER_01 21:08

No, third chapter 31.

SPEAKER_03 21:11

Oh that was cool. That that lines up with what we're talking about, though.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:18

Remove far from me vanity lies, give me neither poverty nor riches, keep me on the middle path, right? Feed me with food convenient for me. Let the let God feed me, right? Yeah, it's like that's another thing I found with fasting. When you like you get fed when you need to eat, somebody will invite you out to eat or something like that. Not even kidding.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

Um Calix also says, really quick, what is your business? You said your business was better when you stopped smoking weed.

SPEAKER_03 21:51

Oh. My business is detailing cars and polishing.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

metal um but yeah it it just picked up when i dropped all my all my vices man like i stopped depending on everything else to keep me comfortable and so then i had to find it's like okay on on a on a realistic level when you when you stop appeasing yourself you start looking for shit to do you're like i need to get something done because i'm like my hands are like i'm gonna i'm gonna do something bad with my hands idle hands like the devil work right yeah so like you start working and you just bust your ass it's pretty simple very interesting uh okay 3167 give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish wine unto those that be of heavy hearts let him drink and forget his poverty and remember his misery no more so I'll read the first bit I don't know if that'll help or not but the words of King Lemule the prophecy that his mother taught him What what, my son, and what the son of my womb, and what the son of my vows give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings Is it not for kings, O Lemule, is it not for kings to drink wine nor for princes strong drink, lest they drink and forget the law and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted Well that changes the context, doesn't it? Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts let him drink and forget his poverty and remember his misery no more it's not like go on Greg.

SPEAKER_02 23:47

I don't I don't really read that as like condoning it it's just like you know you've got you have a higher purpose huh? So let other people you know fall into these vices that's how I would read that huh?

SPEAKER_01 24:03

So if you want to be more functional if you want to serve a higher purpose you should abandon these kinds of vices. If that's not to say that they're sinful necessarily but certainly have a lower they're like training wheels perhaps yeah is that a fair analogy training wheels that are shaped like squares yeah they'll it'll keep you poor so yeah I don't know I I feel like that's probably relevant to your point it seems to correlate with your business observation you became more efficient and a higher functioning person once you abandoned your vice. Yeah so so yeah well checks out man stop making yourself feel better see what God does there you go there you go so that's our conversation let us know if you have any thoughts you'd like to add did we parse that out to 30 minutes did we do it yes we did uh calic says fair enough so there you go all right so we got one more subject left sorry Trevor were you gonna say something that was really good advice was did you make another pun? What can we can we call puns a vice? Advice oh my gosh should we call I think they could be a vice yeah I I think they're becoming a vice because they become like um short form content short form content yes that's what ads are anymore I think that's a very generous definition we just lost this conversation I know it just derailed Trevor basically basically any any vice that that becomes pub God in your life is then an idol yes there you go yeah there you go very good so so my computer mouse could eventually become an idol I guess if you like it that much yeah if I like it that much how are you using your computer mouse for self-comfort he could be whipping himself giving himself lashes this is all I deserve this is all I deserve in life no I just to make my get my point across anything can be a vice and then it becomes your idol I think we hope you enjoyed this episode of Faith Fiction and folklore if you did we would love it if you would subscribe to us on YouTube or follow us on Rumble. We can also be found on X, Instagram and Facebook. And we are available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts Amazon Music and iHeartRadio thank you again very much for listening and we'll see you next time