FFF Episode 294

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SPEAKER_02 0:04

Okay, I guess we're just gonna jump in to Genesis 41.

SPEAKER_00 0:09

We got a dang good shoot, real.

SPEAKER_02 0:12

Oh, you're gonna copy the Hodge twins now.

SPEAKER_00 0:16

Well, they say damn. I said dang.

SPEAKER_01 0:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:19

Calic says, like Megatron. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

So do a whole do a whole live stream sounding like the uh uh Optimus Prime and the Autobots.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Yeah, there we go. That'll work.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

Yeah, oh by the way, Cody could not be with us tonight. He uh I think he had a busy work week, so he's uh a little tired. So we'll see him next week, hopefully. And uh with all that said, if all that precursor over with, I guess we will begin. So uh Genesis 41 and uh Trevor, I'll stop if I have something to say, and then you can stop if uh you have something to say.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

So yeah, and I've got the NIV version of that's right along as well as I can.

SPEAKER_02 1:06

Yes, Trevor is going to be looking at the NIV in real time, so if there are differences, we can point them out and see if they mean anything. We're gonna see how that goes. So, all right. So here we go, Genesis 41. And it came to pass at the end of two full years that Pharaoh dreamed, and behold, he stood by the river, and behold, there camp out of the river, s there came out of the river seven well-favored kine and fat fleshed, and they fed in a meadow.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

There's a first difference in the first say like sentence. Uh King James Version said by the river, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:52

Uh yes, by the river.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

The NIV went farther and just said by the Nile. I guess they specified it. I don't know if that's its significance.

SPEAKER_02 2:03

I mean, probably not. It's probably just being pedantic, but uh don't suppose it matters. I don't think that matters too much. What do you think? No, I guess not. Okay. Alright, Calix says, um Cody, my pal! And then he says, I'll be right back, guys. We'll see you in a bit, Calix. So, alright, hang on, let me check rumble really quick. It's very difficult to be doing the live reading and running the show at the same time. And rumbling. And rumbling. It's like I'm spinning plates. Oh well. And the ill-favored and lean-fleshed kine, this is verse 4, did eat up the seven well-favored and fat kine. So Pharaoh awoke. And he slept. Imagine cattle, yeah. Cows? That's well, I've always understood it. I mean, I mean I've never heard the word kine before. I'm sure I read it when I was a kid, but in all the shows and stuff, it's like cows. So wow. Anyway, so and he slept and dreamed the second time, and behold, seven ears of corn came up upon one stalk, rank and good. And behold, seven thin ears, and blasted with the east wind, sprung up after them. And the seven thin ears devoured the seven rank and full ears, and Pharaoh awoke Pharaoh awoke, and behold, it was a dream. And it came to pass in the morning that his spirit was troubled, and he sent and called for all the magicians in Egypt, and all the wise men thereof, and Pharaoh told them his dream, but there was none that could interpret them unto Pharaoh. Then spake the chief butler unto Pharaoh, saying, I do remember my faults this day. Pharaoh was wroth with his servants, and put me in word in the captains of the guards' house, both me and the chief baker, and ward, I should say. And he dreamed a dream in one night, and I and he we dreamed each man according to the interpretation of his dream. And there was there with us a young man, an Hebrew, servant to the captain of the guard, and we told him, and he interpreted to us our dreams, to each man according to his dream he did interpret. And it came to pass as he interpreted to us, so it was me, he restored unto mine office, and him he hanged. Excuse me. Then Pharaoh sent and called Joseph, and they brought him hastily out of the dungeon, and he shaved himself and changed his raiment, and came in unto Pharaoh. And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I have dreamed a dream, and there is none that can interpret it, and I have heard said and I have heard say of thee that thou canst understand a dream to interpret it. And Joseph answered Pharaoh, saying, It is not in me. God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace. And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, In my dream, behold, I stood upon the bank of the river, and behold, there came up out of the river seven kind, fat fleshed and well favored, and they fed in a meadow. And behold, seven other kine came up after them, poor and very ill favored, and lean fleshed, such as I never saw in the in all the land of Egypt for badness. And the lean and the ill-favored kine did eat up the first seven fat kine. And when they had eaten them up, it could not be known that they had eaten them. But they were still ill-favored, as at the beginning. So I awoke. They're ugly? Okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Instead of ill-favored.

SPEAKER_02 6:11

Okay. All right. And I saw in my dream, and behold, seven ears came up in one stalk, full and good. And behold, seven ears, withered, thin, and blasted with the east wind, sprung up after them. And the thin ears devoured the seven good ears. And I told this unto the magicians, but there was none that could declare it to me. And Joseph said unto Pharaoh, The dream of Pharaoh is one, God hath showed Pharaoh what he is about to do. The seven good kine are seven years, and the seven good ears are seven years, the dream is one. And the seven thinned and ill favored kine that came up after them are seven years, and the seven empty ears blasted with the east wind shall be seven years of famine. This is the thing which I have spoken unto Pharaoh, what God is about to do he showeth unto Pharaoh. Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all the land of Egypt, and there shall arise after them seven years of famine, and all the plenty shall be forgotten in the land of Egypt, and the famine shall consume the land, and the plenty shall not be known in the land by reason of that famine following, for it shall be very grievous. And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice. It is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass. Now therefore let Pharaoh look out a man discreet and wise, and set him over the land of Egypt. Let Pharaoh do this, and let him appoint officers over the land, and take up the fifth part of the land of Egypt in the seven plenteous years. And let him gather all the food of those good years that come, and lay up corn under the hand of Pharaoh, and let them keep food in the cities. And that food shall be for store to the land against the seven years of famine, which shall be in the land of Egypt, that the land perish not through the famine. And the thing was good in the eyes of Pharaoh, and in the eyes of all his servants. And favors and Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is? And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, For as much as God hath showed thee all this, there is none so discreet and wise as thou art. Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled. Only in the throne will I be greater than thou. And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, See I have set thee over all the land of Egypt. And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck. And he made him to ride in the second chariot which he had, and they care and they cried before him, Bow the knee, and he made him rule over all the land of Egypt. And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I am Pharaoh, and without thee shall no man lift up his hand or foot in all the land of Egypt. And Pharaoh called Joseph's name Safnat Phaninan. That's the best I can do. And he gave him to wife Asnith, the daughter of Potipharah, priest of An, and Joseph went out over all the land of Egypt. And Joseph was thirty years old when he stood before Pharaoh, king of Egypt. And Joseph went out from the presence of Pharaoh and went throughout all the land of Egypt. And in the seven plenteous years the earth brought forth by handfuls. And he gathered up all the food of seven years which were in the land of Egypt, and laid up the food in the cities, the food of the fields, uh which was round about every city, laid up, uh laid he up in the same. And Joseph gathered corn as the sand of the sea, very much until he left number until he left numbering, for it was without numbering. For without yeah, for it was without number. And unto Joseph were born two sons before the years of famine came, which Asnath, the daughter of Potipharah, priest of An, bare unto him. And Joseph called the name of the firstborn Manasseh, for God said he hath made me forget all my toil and all my father's house. And the name of the second called he Ephraim. For God hath caused me to be fruitful in the land of my affliction. And the seven years of plenteousness that was in the land of Egypt were ended. And the seven years of dearth began to come, according to Jose as Joseph had said, and the death was in all lands, but in all the land of Egypt there was bread. And when all the land of Egypt was famished, the people cried to Pharaoh for bread, and Pharaoh said unto all the Egyptians, Go unto Joseph, what he saith to you, do. And the famine was over all the face of the earth, and Joseph opened all the storehouses and sold unto the Egyptians. And the famine waxed sore in the land of Egypt. And all the countries came into Egypt to Joseph for to buy corn, because that the famine was so sore in all lands. And that is Genesis 41.

SPEAKER_00 11:42

Excuse me. Bless you. Are you all right?

SPEAKER_01 11:45

I am I am alright.

SPEAKER_00 11:47

Do you think it was good or bad of him to store it up and sell it? Why didn't he just tell everybody, hey, this is gonna happen. Save your stuff so you don't have to come to us.

SPEAKER_02 12:02

Because they wouldn't have, and they probably would have price gouged each other, gouged each other or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 12:08

I guess that makes sense. You don't think he price gouged it?

SPEAKER_02 12:13

Joseph? Probably not.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

Oh. So when when Pharaoh made him second in command, Egypt, the Egyptians saw Pharaoh as like a god, right?

SPEAKER_02 12:25

Uh later. I don't know what their religious structure would have been at this point. But yeah, I mean, eventually they did start seeing Pharaoh as God.

SPEAKER_00 12:33

I wonder if they saw Joseph as a uh a god as well. W what did he name him? Pharaoh.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

Oh my gosh. You know, the best part of these Bible readings for people is the fact that we butcher these names. Uh, let me see if I can find it. Hang on. Zapanathpania. Ah, you found it. Zaphanath. Yeah, I I can't. Uh I don't know what that name would mean. Uh let's see if we can Google it. Um, I have to find it first and copy and paste it. Because if I can't say it, I sure as heck can't spell it.

SPEAKER_00 13:13

Zaphanath Penia is the Egyptian name given to Joseph by Pharaoh after he interpreted the king's dream serpent. The name appears only once in scripture and is recorded in Hebrew letters representing an Egyptian phrase, making its exact meaning uncertain. Okay, so they don't know then. Alright. Revealer of secrets.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

Is that what they say it means? Revealer of secrets?

SPEAKER_00 13:46

Uh scholarly and biblical interpretations.

SPEAKER_02 13:53

Scholarly and biblical interpretations, huh?

SPEAKER_00 13:56

That's that's from Wikipedia.

SPEAKER_02 13:58

Oh, well. Yeah, Wikipedia.

SPEAKER_00 14:02

It's about one from Bible Hub. The one who furnishes nourishment.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

The one who furnishes nourishment, huh? That makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 14:13

That's from Bible Hub.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

Alright, let me see if I can find a uh another definition. I mean I'm sure the I'm sure that's fine.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

Hang on here.org. Hang on here.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

Bestow cultural and theological significance. Bestowing an Egyptian name was a common practice symbolizing integration into the ruling culture. I guess it was just for the Pharaoh to separate his lowly Hebrew name into a higher ranking Egyptian name.

SPEAKER_01 15:14

Possibly. I don't know here. I'm I'm fixing a window. It's not working with me. In summary.

SPEAKER_02 15:24

So we got gotquestions.org here, real quick. Um it's got a couple more names. So here it says multiple translations of Zapheneth Phania have been proposed. A popular view that the name means the God speaks and he lives. This would be Strong's concordance. Variants abound, following similar lines. According to the Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible, Zaneth Pania is most likely a Semitic form of an original Egyptian name, mean meaning says the God, he will live. It seems to go along with Pharaoh's acknowledgement that the wise Joseph had the spirit of God within him.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

So it literally basically just meant what he did.

SPEAKER_02 16:23

Yeah, God speaks through this man, sounds like. Ah, yay! Alright, my window is still correct. So you have any other final thoughts on this?

SPEAKER_00 16:40

Uh also um the priest of on. Mm-hmm. I'm wondering if that's one of the priests that um later. Well, I guess this is way before Moses, huh?

SPEAKER_02 16:58

Yeah, it's a little bit before Moses. Was it? I wanna I'm probably gonna get it wrong, but I wanna say 400 years.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

I wanna say 400 years. What was the priest of Awn?

SPEAKER_02 17:10

I don't know. We wanna look that up.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

In the Hebrew Bible, the priest of Awn is Pot of Pharaoh, the father of Asanath, who was given to Joseph by Pharaoh.

SPEAKER_02 17:22

But who is on, I guess would be the correct question.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

Awn, the priest of on, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

He who Which deity is on Ra.

SPEAKER_00 17:33

So it's Rainbow Ra has given, reflecting his role in the worship of the Egyptian sun god. So he was a priest of Ra.

SPEAKER_02 17:45

Okay. Do they know that? Because I don't I mean I understand the names change a lot over time. I I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if it would that would be work necessarily.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

On, also called Helio Heliopolis, the city of the sun, was a major religious center in ancient Egypt, located northeast of modern Cairo. It was the seat of the cult of the sun god Ra.

SPEAKER_02 18:21

Ah, so An was the town, and the god they were worshiping was Ra.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

Yeah, so it was the city of the sun, okay and so um Ponpero was the main biblical, or not biblical, but main priest of the city.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

Okay. Welcome back, Calix. Welcome back. Alright, so okay, we got it. Cool beings. So do you have any other final thoughts? Uh if you're done, I want to pa I want to stress test or positive theory. Let's do it. Given our prophecy stuff.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

Okay, so let's stress out a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 19:10

That's not what I mean, but I okay. Um so there's a lot of talk with the whole false prophet thing lately, you know, about getting prophecies wrong and anything. And I'm just I'm just speculating. I'm not saying I believe this, I'm just speculating. Could it be that the problem is we we're not implementing interpreters correctly? Because this this uh dream is obviously very difficult to understand, and we see that you know, like with tongues in the Bible, there should be an interpreter. And yeah, I mean, Daniel also interprets dreams. So I'm wondering if like maybe some of the these visions or what have you, could it be just speculating, don't know. Could it be that we don't have any sort of to use a Christianese kind of term, ministry of interpretation or something?

SPEAKER_00 20:06

That would be interesting. I don't know. I've never heard of that.

SPEAKER_02 20:10

Well, that's because I just completely made it up. A ministry of interpretation just sounds Christianese. So I'm just saying, what if we put something like that out there? Is that even like would God even honor that? Is that even the problem? I mean, obviously, if these guys are lying, it's not not even relevant. But I'm just saying, yeah, you know, in the instances of dreams, the person who has the dream almost never knows what they mean, unless they're very direct, like the angel telling Joseph what to do.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Well, it's from my understanding, and this is just me, that God gave Joseph a special ability to where he just automatically understood people's dreams.

SPEAKER_02 20:53

Yeah, yeah, like that's an attempt, yeah, it's like a particular gift. From what I understand, it's like a particular gift. And but Daniel, when he was writing down his prophecies, I don't know if he really understood them. I mean, he recorded what he saw, and I think that's you know, like that's the mistake. Like, let's like now, I I have been convinced that Brandon Biggs is fake, but let's say for a second he isn't. Could it be that he's seeing things he doesn't understand and is adding an interpretation? Because the biblical figures never did that. They would write what they saw, but they wouldn't interpret it.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:34

Which is why we debate about what they mean.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

As far as Brandon Biggs, um, which is some of the prophetics problem is they they add on their own personal likes and dislikes. And as as well, you know, Christians were not exactly Supposed to do that. Supposed to go, okay, what does it mean from a biblical perspective or from a supernatural perspective?

SPEAKER_02 22:11

Well, I mean, if I were to just guess, I we're just postulating and speculating, this is not definitive doctrine, we're not being academic here, we're just talking. Uh, I would suspect that God would probably require an interpreter or an additional person because if if somebody gets a dream and then automatically knows what it is, well, they you know, hypothetically, then they become the they get the credit, you know, you get a cult of celebrity thing going on.

SPEAKER_00 22:38

Well, they call it now.

SPEAKER_02 22:40

I think there's exceptions to that. I think if a prophet gives a prophecy to a man or something like that, that's not like coming from a dream, or does you know there might be circumstances like a prophet, for example, like Isaiah warning Hezekiah he's gonna die. Yeah. You know, you might have you might have something like that, but it could be that interpretations, another person, another person interpreting the dream after somebody has made the prophecy. I mean, that might be part of the process. That might be like a way to prove that God is the one doing it, not it's not like some person has superpowers. Yeah. Again, speculating, don't know, using my imagination, not being academic.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

And some people say it's it's a revelation, you know, it's something revealed. Right. They have they have this revelation from God instead of a pro prophecy. And then their fans or whatever will call them prophetic.

SPEAKER_02 23:40

Yeah. I'm just postulating. I'm just postulating. I have no idea. Anyway, okay. You're ready for.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

Does that give you better posture?

SPEAKER_02 23:48

No. No, my scoliosis is terrible. So I'm sorry. Anyway, so are you ready for 42?

SPEAKER_00 23:57

Uh, hold on. I have a moth mothing my screen. Stop. Okay, I'm ready.

SPEAKER_02 24:07

All right, let me switch this over. We're going to 42, y'all. Alright, now when Jacob saw that there was corn in Egypt, Jacob said unto his sons, Why do you why do ye look upon look one upon another? And he said, Behold, I have heard that there is corn in Egypt. Get you down thither and buy for us from thence that we may live and not die. And Joseph's ten brethren went down to buy corn in Egypt. Wait. Did you see he saw that there was Yeah, he saw that there was corn in Egypt.

SPEAKER_00 24:44

I didn't know they had TVs back then. Stop it.

SPEAKER_02 24:47

Stop it. Goodness sake. Embarrassing.

unknown 24:53

Sorry. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

All right, and Joe. You never know. The Egyptians figured out how to run uh do power, you know, through the pyramids.

SPEAKER_02 25:03

Well, yeah, if they're if those guys were right, the whole musical frequency theory.

SPEAKER_00 25:09

Well, I wonder, I wonder if they had it like running up into the sky as like projector screen. Hey, we have food.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

I highly doubt it. I highly doubt it. I mean, it would be hilarious, but you would think somebody would have said something in the historical record. But who knows? Maybe everything we know is wrong.

SPEAKER_00 25:32

So well, and from my understanding, this is just me.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:38

This is me speculating hardcore. Okay. When when the Egyptians chased down uh Moses and the Hebrews into um what was the the sea of uh what when the when God separated the sea and the Red Sea? You talking about the Red Sea Red Sea, okay. So all of the Egyptians got buried under the Red Sea, right?

SPEAKER_02 26:07

Yeah, they all drowned.

SPEAKER_00 26:09

So what if all that knowledge that they had went with them?

SPEAKER_02 26:13

Well, no, the the town still existed, like the city still existed, that was just the army.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

Yeah, and we see that today, but it's doesn't it say it it emptied he emptied Egypt to chase after him?

SPEAKER_02 26:27

I don't recall him that being said off top of my head. I'd have to check, but I don't recall that being mentioned. Well, I'm just being silly, but it's okay, it's okay. Uh we'll we'll move on.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

It just seemed like lost knowledge to me.

SPEAKER_02 26:42

Oh, I I certainly think there's probably a lot of stuff we don't know. That I I will grant you that. There's they were probably more advanced than we give them credit for. So but you know, we've evolved. We can turn on a light bulb. We can't make one, but we can turn one on. So anyway.

SPEAKER_00 26:59

You gotta flip a switch to do it.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

Oh, that's hard. I'm sure the Egyptians couldn't have figured that out.

SPEAKER_00 27:04

So well, I mean, if you look at um not Edison, the guy Edison stole his stuff. Tesla.

SPEAKER_02 27:13

Well, I don't know if Edison stole stuff from Tesla, but Tesla had his own way of doing things, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:18

Well, Tesla figured out how to turn on a light bulb without the light switch.

SPEAKER_02 27:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

Egyptians could have been there.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

I you would think there'd be a record. I don't know though. I mean, who knows? We're just speculating. So, all right, it's okay. Let's let's uh let's try to get through 42, then we'll call it good. Uh let's see, where are we at? So, and Joseph's ten brothers went down to buy corn in Egypt. But Benjamin, Joseph's brother, Jacob, sent not with his brethren, for he said, Lest peradventure mischief befall him. And the sons of Israel came to buy corn among those that came, for the famine was in the land of Canaan, and Joseph was the governor over the land, and that he it and he it was that sold to all the people of the land, and Joseph's brethren came and bowed down themselves before him with their faces in the earth. Let me read that one more time, because I got myself turned around. And Joseph was the governor over the land, and he it was that sold to sold to all the people of the land, and Joseph's brethren came and bowed down themselves before him with their faces on the earth. And Joseph saw his brethren, and he knew them, but made himself strange unto them, and spake roughly unto them, and he said unto them, Whence come ye? And they said, From the land of Canaan to buy food. And Joseph knew his brethren, but they knew not him. And Joseph remembered the dreams which he dreamed of them, and said unto them, Ye are spies, to see the nakedness of the land ye are come. Now here's another interesting point. Back on that same tangent. Joseph didn't know what his own dreams meant at the time either. And only now, in chapter 42, is he realizing it.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

So there's that. What dreams it's referring to.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

It's referring to the bushels that bowed, and I think something else that bowed. I think the stars and the sun and moon bowed to him, and then the bushels bowed to him. Yeah. Yeah. So it's the dreams referenced back at the beginning back in, I don't remember what chapter, but yeah, towards the beginning of Joseph's part of the story. Wow. The things, the dreams that made them so angry that the brothers made them so angry.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_02 29:41

He went up to and was like, y'all are gonna bow down before it's a great like art, like a story narrative, too, that a lot of stories are based on. This idea that in the well, in the attempt to prevent a prophecy, you end up making the prophecy come true. So if the brothers hadn't sold Joseph into slavery, they net probably, probably never would have, they might not, let's put it that way. They might not have ever bowed to him. Yeah. But because they did that, they wound up bowing to him. But the one of the reasons, I don't think it was, I think this is why the code of many colors is in there, though, because what keeps this from becoming circular and what keeps this from becoming like God and trapping people is uh the code of many colors. So Joseph's brothers actually did hate him for multiple reasons. But narratively speaking, the motif would be somebody gets a prophecy, somebody else like reacts to prevent the prophecy, and then the reaction directly causes the prophecy that they were trying to stop. It's like an Oedipus-Rex type motif. But what prevents that in this case is the code of many colors. So again, just spitballing. This is like, and I'm only saying it because you know the Bible's like you know, not just spiritually true, but it's also like the root of a lot of storytelling as well. So, you know, I'm just bringing that up. Yeah. And one more thing while I'm on a tangent, um, as for the famine, one thing I do wonder, I don't know, but I do know that there was a famine that just about wiped out the Mediterranean. Like it almost wiped out Greece, like it was all like a world-ending famine that took place. And I wanna Trope Talks on YouTube brings it up. It's actually where I learned it, but I think it was Trope Talks. I don't remember. It was a history, it was um I was talking about this period of time in the Mediterranean where um I'm pretty sure that's wrong. I'm pretty sure it's not trope talks, but I don't remember where it was from. But there was a period of time where there was a severe famine that just about wiped out the Mediterranean, and I want to say it like separated the Bronze Age. Uh it doesn't seem like it would have been the Iron Age, but it like collapsed to the Bronze Age. It was like an apocalyptic event throughout that whole area. And I'm wondering if maybe this famine is what is uh is the same famine that's referred to historically. In fact, it's gonna bug me, so I'm going to actually look that up while I'm thinking of it because I thought I knew the facts and then they escaped me as I was saying them out loud. So, what major famine almost ended Greece and marked the end of an age of humanity, I guess. Because I don't remember which age it was precisely. Yeah. Uh okay, so no, I'm not, it's not AD, so AI is getting this wrong. Um, it's also giving me a bunch of stupid evolution stuff. It's like, are you talking about a famine from a hundred thousand years ago? No. Like, let me see. It's it's recorded in written history, guys. Come on. Maybe I need uh almost ended Greece or ended the Mediterranean area, or affected the Mediterranean era. What's area? Area. Alright.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

Region? No. Mediterranean region.

SPEAKER_02 33:48

I can't find it. Okay, here we go. Here we go. Wait, wait, wait, here we go. Finally. I I knew I was not crazy. Here it is. Of course, my stupid box is wrong. Hang on. It's freaking overboxing. Alright, it's the ancient Mediterranean famines. If you are thinking of an event that affected the broader Mediterranean and caused the destruction of entire civilizations, it is likely the late Bronze Age collapse, 1200 BC. That's what I'm thinking of. But I don't remember, I don't remember uh the timeline. Let's see here. I don't think that actually works, though. That's too recent. It's very recent. Let's see. Um let's check it. Here when in history did Moses cross the Red Sea. Uh yeah, yeah, it's too far back. Uh the common. It's a dip there's a debate about whether this took place, whether Moses' crossing of the Red Sea took place in 1450 or 1250. They go back and forth depending on the area. But yeah, 1200 BC would be too late. So that I am probably incorrect. So yeah, never mind then. Never mind then. So this would have been a great famine that preceded the late Bronze Age collapse. So yeah, so just for context, it's a massive 300-year drought, and resulting famine and resulting famines are believed to be major driving factors behind the collapse of the Mycenae civilization in ancient Greece, as well as the Hentai Empire in Anatolia, that this triggered a widespread regional dark age where many major urban centers were permanently abandoned. So I was wrong, and I apologize for wasting everyone's time. But I wondered if they were the same thing. So this is a different famine then. Did we though? I mean, I guess we didn't.

SPEAKER_00 36:05

Oh, I did.

SPEAKER_02 36:06

I guess I did.

SPEAKER_00 36:07

I didn't know that. Well, there you go.

SPEAKER_02 36:10

The more you know, the more you know, the more you let's quit wasting time and finish 42. Okay torturing people here. All right, apologies, folks. Okay, but Benjamin Joseph's brother. Yeah, so we felt him. All right. Then the sons, wait, we're further than this.

SPEAKER_00 36:28

Ten, okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:30

And they said unto him, Nay, my lord, but to buy food are thy servants come. And we are all one man's sons. We are true men, thy servants are no spies. And he said unto them, Nay, but to see the nakedness of the land ye are come. And they say, This thy servants are twelve brethren, the sons of one man in the land of Canaan. And behold, the youngest is this is this day with our father, and one is not. And Joseph said unto them, That is it, that I spake unto you, saying your spies, hereby ye shall be proved. By the life of Pharaoh ye shall not go forth hence, except your youngest brother come hither. Send one of you, and let him fetch your brother, and ye shall be kept in prison, that your words may be proved, whether there be any truth in you, or else by the life of Pharaoh surely ye are spies. And he put them all together into ward three days. And Joseph said unto them the third day, this do and live, for I fear God. If ye be true men, let one of your brethren be bound in the house of your prison, go ye carry corn for the famine of your houses. And bring your youngest brother unto me, so shall your words be verified, and ye shall not die. And they did so. And they said unto one another, We are verily guilty concerning our brother, in that we saw the anguish of his soul when he besought us, and we would not hear. Therefore this therefore is this distress come upon us. And Reuben answered them, saying, Spake I not unto you, saying, Do not sin against the child, and ye would not hear. Therefore, behold, also his blood is required. And they knew not that Joseph understood them, for he spake unto them by an interpreter. And he turned himself about from them and wept, and returned to them again, and communed with them, and took from them Simeon, and bound him before their eyes. Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks of corn and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way, and thus did he unto them, and they laden their asses with corn and departed thence. And as one of them opened his sack to give his ass provid provener in the inn, provener in the inn, he espied his money, for behold it was in his sack's mouth. And he said unto his brethren, My money is restored, and lo, it is even in my sack, and their heart failed them, and they were afraid, saying to one another, What is this that God hath done unto us? And they came unto Jacob, their father, unto the land of Canaan, and told him all that befell unto them, saying, The man who is the Lord of the land spoke roughly to us and took us for spies of the country. And we said unto him, We are true men, we are no spies. We be twelve brethren, sons of our father. One is not, and the youngest is this day with our father in the land of Canaan. And the man, the Lord of the country, said unto us, Hereby shall I know that ye are true men. Leave one of your brethren here with me, and take food for the famine of your households, and be gone. And bring your youngest brother unto me, then I shall know that ye are no spies, but that ye are true men, so will I deliver you your brother, and ye shall traffic in the land. And it came to pass as they emptied their sacks, that behold, every man's bundle of money was in his sack. And when both they and their father saw the bundles of money, they were afraid. And Jacob, their father, said unto them, Me have ye bereaved of my children. Joseph is not, and Simeon is not, and ye will take Benjamin away, all these things are against me. And Reuben spake unto his father, saying, Slay my two sons, if I bring him not to thee. Deliver him into my hand, and I will bring him to thee again. And he said, My son shall not go down with you, for his brother is dead, and he is left alone, if mischief befall him by the way in which ye go, then shall ye bring down my grey hairs with sorrow to the grave. And that's forty two. So question Why did Joseph do it?

SPEAKER_00 41:08

Why did Joseph do it? Was it because he was still angry about it?

SPEAKER_02 41:14

I suspect that. I suspect this was a way to get even, at least at the start.

SPEAKER_00 41:20

You you think he had that malice in his heart?

SPEAKER_02 41:22

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 41:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:26

Because it doesn't really specify.

SPEAKER_02 41:28

Yeah, it doesn't specify why he did it, but I can't imagine why else he would. Yeah, I was supposed to do that. Because I mean he couldn't have known that they were gonna bring up the younger brother. So yeah, I think he started out angry and then I think the reason that they're he cried whenever they started bringing up what they'd done is he realized they felt guilty. And that might have begun guilt. Yeah, and that might have begun a change of heart in him. That's kind of what I suspect. So that's my humble opinion.

SPEAKER_00 42:03

Yeah, I agree. He was he was angry.

SPEAKER_02 42:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:09

And then talked about that. I'd never uh noticed that before. He needed an interpreter to talk to them. Yeah, I guess he he forgot the language.

SPEAKER_02 42:22

No, he was faking. He didn't want them, he didn't want them to know that he could understand them. So he used an interpreter and pretended like he couldn't speak the language. Yeah. We hope you enjoyed this episode of Faith Fiction and Folklore. If you did, we would love it if you would subscribe to us on YouTube or follow us on Rumble. We can also be found on X, Instagram, and Facebook. And we are available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, and iHeartRadio. Thank you again very much for listening, and we'll see you next time.