Did Paula White Really Compare Trump to Christ?

During this episode, we begin trying to find out more about Paula White, and, while doing so, we come across the speech where people accused her of saying Trump is Christ. We look at what she said and try to decide with the depiction of her words is accurate.

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SPEAKER_04 0:07

I've been trying to learn about Paula White, and I don't know anything about her, frankly. So I'm, you know, it's been very difficult. So I figured the best thing to do is we got some articles here. Again, I am trying to figure out a couple specific things. Number one, what is this mantle she's talking about? I'm curious to see if she is interested in new thought or any kind of this Christ consciousness goofiness, this stuff that we're all basically God on the inside or whatever. I'm trying to see if she's like into any of that. I'm trying to see if she's in, I'm trying to figure out what the mantle even is. I'm also suspicious of this doctrine that the anointing might be serving the same function as the Pope or as the president in the Mormon Church or as the apostolic succession. Uh, that is to say that the anointing that these prophets supposedly have might be serving as kind of a we are the divine voice of God type of thing. So I'm curious to see if that's how they view it. So I'm trying to figure out the minutiae of what it is she actually thinks, and do that in such a way without I mean, it's not that I don't trust Mike Winger, it's not that you know I'm thinking everybody's a liar, but I just don't like the quote mining tactic. I find it very frustrating. And so I'm trying to figure this out for myself. And so you are going with us on this journey. And if you know anything, please say so in the chat and save us some time.

SPEAKER_05 1:53

Save us some time.

SPEAKER_04 1:54

That's right.

SPEAKER_05 1:55

So, Trevor, did you know that Journey is on their uh final uh tour?

SPEAKER_04 2:03

I did not know that.

SPEAKER_05 2:05

Yeah, they're doing one last tour. I just saw it on an ad like today.

SPEAKER_04 2:11

Well, how about that? I am too old to enjoy music the way that I did because I pay attention to lyrics, and most of the time I'm like, that is awful.

SPEAKER_05 2:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:21

So I'm like, yeah, it makes you jaded.

SPEAKER_05 2:25

Yeah, it's a lot of the classic rock. If you actually listen to the words, it's like that's extremely sexual. And I was listening to that as a kid.

SPEAKER_04 2:35

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, right. So, okay. Alrighty. If you're ready, I think the best thing to do is to start with the articles that we've got all pulled up. I'm gonna, I'm actually gonna uh skip the Baptist News Global because this one didn't have anything interesting. It was just complaining about her and kind of telling her backstory. So I think I'm gonna start with the articles you you presented, and let's just start. Let's begin. So, Paula White Kane biography, age, net worth, family, career, and achievements. Paula White Kane is a well-known American pastor, teleevangelist, author, and spiritual advisor who has played a significant role in modern charismatic Christianity. She is widely recognized for her passionate preaching style, leadership within faith-based organizations, and influence in both religious and public spheres. Over several decades, Paula White has built a ministry that reaches millions through television broadcasts, books, conferences, and global outreach. Her journey reflects resilience, reinovation, and unwavering commitment to ministry, making her one of the most talked-about Christian leaders of her generation. Quick facts about Paula White Kane. Full name, marital status. Okay, I'm gonna skip this. I'm not there, they're calling her charismatic teacher.

SPEAKER_05 4:11

I can't believe she's 60 years old. She does not look 60 years old.

SPEAKER_04 4:17

Maybe it's maybe she I don't know. I don't know. I'm not gonna say nothing. It's weird.

SPEAKER_05 4:21

She drank the purple.

SPEAKER_04 4:22

She drank the purple, yeah. So sorry. That's alright. I am in Hillman. I miss him. Those were some fun episodes. We made some people mad, but those were some fun episodes.

SPEAKER_05 4:35

I kind of want to do something like that again. I haven't come across anybody crazy.

SPEAKER_04 4:40

No, he got mad once uh Wes Huff shut him down. So he's uh he he's not been seen or heard from ever since, apparently.

SPEAKER_05 4:47

His channel's still up. Is it running?

SPEAKER_04 4:51

Yeah. Maybe we'll look at it at some point. I don't know. All right, let's see. Paula White Mitchell was born uh April 20th, 1966. This is all the same basic stuff that's in the chart. Uh, education and spiritual formation. Let's look at this. Paula White Kane received theological training through ministry mentorship, Bible studies, and ministry-based education rather than traditional seminary roots. Well, that tells us nothing. She developed her preaching and leadership skills through hands-on ministry, experienced discipleship and teaching roles with church environments. Okay, so she's connected to Rodney Howard Brown. Fun fact, I believe he's somebody connected to Alex Jones. Rodney Howard Brown is.

SPEAKER_05 5:35

Rodney Howard Brown, excuse me, was uh I lost my train of thought. Sorry. Oh, you're right. He was kind of a prosperity gospel, but he he liked to teach about um joy. What's that called? Uh joy unspeakable. That was one of his teachings.

SPEAKER_04 6:04

I think they're a little loose with the prosperity gospel term. You seem to know more about this than I do. Is he a prosperity preacher? Uh by prosperity preacher, when I think of it, it's tithe and give, so you get money back in time. You get blessings, which is money. That's how I understand it. Is he one of those guys? Or am I even understanding prosperity gospel correctly?

SPEAKER_05 6:30

Well, I've been trying to understand what it's all about. Like, why do people call him prosperity gospel teachers? And it's like they don't really preach anything different, they preach from the Bible. But they they like to talk a lot about what God has given them.

SPEAKER_04 6:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:50

So there's a lot of well, I did this, so God gave me this. I did this, so God gave me this. I did this, so God gave me this, and they never actually like teach people biblically, biblically how to be like that.

SPEAKER_04 7:10

Well, my contention would be that you know, you do the right thing because God is gonna, you know, automatically give you the right, you know, he's gonna reciprocate automatically. I don't know, I don't know if I believe that. Now, I do think Joyce Meyer has a point when she talks about double figure trouble, i.e., sometimes God puts like struggles in your life, and if you pass those tests, as it were, God will give you back what you've lost. I think there are situations. Yeah, exactly. She's she's referencing Job when she says that. So I think there are situations like that, but it doesn't follow that you should always give or be patient because you think you're gonna get rewarded for it.

SPEAKER_05 7:51

Yeah. So And some of it is um they teach um basically you you ask God and he gives it to you. And um I don't remember where it's at in the Bible where it talks about that, but they they actually pull it up where if you if you ask God and believe fully in your heart that he's going to give you a thing, then you thank him ahead of time before you even get it.

SPEAKER_04 8:26

Yeah, see that I would consider that prosperity gospel, and that's also kind of that new thought, Napoleon Hill. Remember when we did that episode of Napoleon Hill? It's that manifestation crap.

SPEAKER_05 8:37

Yeah, yeah, a lot of the manifestation.

SPEAKER_04 8:40

So that would I would consider part of the prosperity doctrine, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:44

God, I would like uh a new vehicle. Thank you for giving me this new vehicle. Right now, I don't have it yet.

SPEAKER_04 8:51

Yeah. Yeah, that that I would there are no examples of that in the Bible anywhere, and I would consider that complete nonsense.

SPEAKER_05 9:02

And and I'm saying that as somebody who thought about it for a period of time, think you know, considered it, but yeah, and I I don't remember all the verses and stuff, but then they they actually like if somebody argues with them, they actually pull up Bible verses where it talks about if you ask God. And I don't remember the Bible verses.

SPEAKER_04 9:28

But well, I mean it's like you have not because you ask not as often what they quote. Yeah, that one, you know, and it's like, yeah, you do have to ask for stuff, but God's not a slot machine, he's not just gonna automatically give you things and thanking him ahead of time so that you get the thing, it doesn't follow. You know, it's like you're not you're God is not a demon. You don't like summon him and manipulate him into doing things through like the right order of words or like you know imagining it ahead of time. I mean, it's like you may as well pour a circle of salt around you and chant pig Latin for all the good it's gonna do you.

SPEAKER_05 10:11

Hey, salt works.

unknown 10:13

No, it doesn't.

SPEAKER_04 10:14

Not when you're praying.

SPEAKER_05 10:16

Because we are the salt of the earth.

SPEAKER_04 10:18

That is we are not even remotely talking about the some same thing. Okay, let's move on because we're derailing. So, okay, let's see. Uh, ministry calling and early career. Paula White began her ministry journey alongside her former husband, Randy White, where they co-pastored churches and expanded their outreach. Her early preaching gained attention for his energy, relatability, and bold presentation of faith. Well, I don't know what that means. She later founded Paula White Ministries, which became a global platform through television programs, conferences, and international events. Her ministry focused on prayer, restoration, faith, and personal growth. City of Destiny Church. I'm sorry, that sounds a little cultish. I'm just saying, I know, but that just I'm just like, yeah, it sounds a little okay. I just feel like people are gonna be in like linen tunics and handing out drugs or something. But anyway, uh Paula White Kane currently serves as a senior pastor of City of Destiny. Why would you call it City of Destiny?

SPEAKER_05 11:30

That's important.

SPEAKER_04 11:31

That's such a weird term. Like, what does that have to do with Christianity? City of Destiny.

SPEAKER_05 11:37

Maybe it's in destiny.

SPEAKER_04 11:39

But why would she call it that?

SPEAKER_05 11:41

That doesn't because they're that's their destiny is biblical stuff.

SPEAKER_04 11:48

Oh, yeah, but you're writing for the author there. Like, I don't know. I can't, I can't figure out, I can't even conjure up something doctrinal that would lead her to say that. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I'm I'm obsessed with that.

SPEAKER_05 12:00

Maybe it was prophetic or she got a revelation to call it that.

SPEAKER_04 12:04

Oh, who knows? All right, a multicultural and multi-generational church based in Florida. Is there any other kind of church? A multicultural and multi-generational church.

SPEAKER_05 12:17

I that's basically it's it's like uh you know where anybody can go. Like you need this crap.

SPEAKER_04 12:25

Like it's just it's a non-denominational church, that's all it's business corporate garbage, is what it is. It's it's how you pitch. This is that, like, I'm sure I don't know if she got her stuff from uh that purpose strip. What is the guy who I cannot believe I'm blanking out on his name? Rick Warren. This is that like seeker church mentality where you use a bunch of business, business, numbers, numbers language to like attract people that don't want to know God, but they want a nice, you know, modern version of the Freemasons to go to. But anyway. Uh multi-generation church based in Florida. Under her leadership, the church has emphasized worship, community impact, discipleship, and global missions. City of Destiny has grown into a recognized faith center, attracting believers from diverse backgrounds and extending. That's how you know a liberal wrote this. It's just diversity, multiculturalism, multi-generation, just inclusion, inclusion. We're for everybody. It it tells you a lawyer wrote this. Anyway, backgrounds and extending its influence beyond church walls through outreach initiatives. Yeah, we're not learning anything here. Who wrote this? Scholars learn. Oh, of course. Okay, I'm moving on. You is there anything in here that you want me to look at specifically?

SPEAKER_05 13:47

No, I just didn't want uh Wikipedia.

SPEAKER_04 13:50

No, that's fair. No, Wikipedia would be worse. But we're just getting, we're just getting we're not getting anything specific here. We're gonna move on. So, what is Paula White's embezzlement controversy? There's an embezzlement controversy.

SPEAKER_05 14:06

This is kind of a uh news article type thing.

SPEAKER_04 14:11

Allegations explained as White House spiritual advisor compares Trump to Jesus in viral video. Well, that's not good. Uh yeah, I wanted I wanted this specifically because I I'm I'm I'm going to wait because there's always the chance they just quote mind it and they're bending what she said, but I won't, yeah, I won't know until I get the particulars. So let's see here. Paula White attached to it somewhere. Is there? All right, well, we'll look for it. Paula White is senior advisor to the White House Faith Office, which Trump established in February 2025. Paula White's senior advisor of the Faith White House Faith Office was among the attendees of the Insta lunch, the White House on April 1st. The well-known televangist gave a speech at the gathering praising President Donald Trump during her speech. White House compared POTUS to Jesus Christ while mentioning his assassination attempt. Okay, I think I have heard this actually. She was drawing a comparison to like Trump's sacrifices to Christ, which is incredibly obnoxious, but I don't know if that's the same thing. Let's see, maybe this might be it.

SPEAKER_01 15:23

Come we have some great people in this room. And I'm we're leaving a few out, but I'm it's only because we don't see that.

SPEAKER_04 15:32

He sounds very tired.

SPEAKER_02 15:34

Sure. We'll take that.

SPEAKER_04 15:36

I'm sure he is.

SPEAKER_02 15:37

First off, thank you so much, President, and for all the great faith leaders that are here. Uh happy Easter. This is a very holy week for us, and we're just honored you took your valuable time for all of our uh cabinet members and secretaries. We thank you. And most of all, I really feel like the Lord gave me something this morning, and this is family. So I want to thank you very much.

SPEAKER_01 15:57

You should have gotten dressed up a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 15:59

I know. We were initially having a dinner, so it's actually nice. Thank you, sir. And uh so I decided to wear it anyway. But the Bible says to give thanks for all things. And as I was praying this morning, the word gratitude just kept coming to me. And said there's so many things I'm grateful for. I'm grateful for salvation and the finished work of Jesus Christ and my family, and the list would go on and on. But as I prayed it with like the Holy Spirit, just don't be instead of helping how thankful you are for him. And I think that's what I'm saying. I felt like I was conveying the heart of God for all of us. That we are thankful for the greatest champion of faith that we've ever seen in a president. And we honor you because of your bold, unwavering conviction and stance for religious liberty here in America and around the world. And you recognize the power and the name of Jesus Christ. I remember when we told our first briefing, you can now pray again and worship again. They begin to shout and praise and say, thank you, Lord, and sing in their highest ways for your unwavering recognition that the strength of a nation. Caleb says, I've never heard of her.

SPEAKER_04 17:37

Ha ha. It's crazy this, and then he later says, it's crazy this woman is standing next to Trump when he's supporting a genocide. I assume you are speaking about uh the Israel conflict. So yeah, that's a whole that's a whole can of worms. Me and Cody have argued passionately about that. So we may have to have that conversation when he's here. So yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:10

What part of it is is it genocide?

SPEAKER_04 18:14

Uh, there are like the bombing of Gaza is like people are upset about the bombing of Gaza, and then some people like think that Israel's influencing Trump with the war in Iran. And then, you know, there's like a back and forth about that. So I don't think it's a genocide. Cody thinks it's a genocide. We've argued, we argued for like three weeks over Instagram over it. Um and then, let's see. I forgot what I was gonna say. Dad blame it. Uh yeah, we argued back and forth over it for like three weeks. To me, it's like the ethical question is how far is an army allowed to go before it's still considered like a defensive war? Did Israel cross that line? Did they not cross that line? That's kind of the thing. And as for the idea that yeah, and as for like the idea that uh I'm getting tired, I can't think. Uh yeah, I've completely blanked. I apologize, I lost my train of thought. Yay, brain pocked. Yeah, I know, it sucks. Um bottom line is oh wait, yeah, that's what it was. So I don't think Israel's controlling the president. Israel's the size of New Jersey. I just I don't buy it. I don't buy it. I don't buy it. Cody can say why I'm wrong next week.

SPEAKER_05 19:48

You don't think they're heavily influencing Trump or paying them up or anything like that?

SPEAKER_04 19:54

No. No. Look, the way that that whole thing works is Israel, Israel's in the middle of wanting to be a tech hub. Okay, so they want that war to like knock the stop because you can't have a tech, they want to be the Silicon Valley of the Middle East. They want Tel Aviv to be the Silicon Valley of the Middle East. You can't have that if everybody's bombing, you know, if the terrorist cells are bombing the city. And I think also that the other Middle Eastern countries are wanting to compete in oil. And I think Trump was like, hey, that's a great idea because they'll drop oil prices. He's trying to re-establish the value of the petrodollar. So you've got a bunch of surround a bunch of countries that are surrounding Iran because Iran's bullied everyone for forever. And I think it's a joint campaign. Why everybody's focused on Israel, I think, is because of October 7th. But really, I think this is this is like most of the Middle East basically ganging up on Iran. And Trump's kind of because I mean you can sit there and say that Dubai gave him a plane and they played the YMCA because of Trump's aura, or the Muslim marching band played the YMCA because of Trump's aura. I don't buy it. I think he made a deal. I think he made a deal with not just Israel but all the countries in that area. But Israel's getting the most attention because of October 7th. That is my opinion. Cody disagrees, and we can go back and forth on that at some point.

SPEAKER_05 21:26

Uh uh Calix is asking about what about uh APAC?

SPEAKER_04 21:30

Okay, so he also said before that it's probably deeper than that, but I digress, ha. Okay, what about APAC? APAC does not give as much as some of the other Muslim countries. Like APAC is influential, but it's not the most influential group. So it's like I mean, I I don't think there should be an APAC, but I don't think we should be taking money from foreign governments. Like politicians should not be taking money from foreign governments, period. Like, and I don't I don't care what country they're from. And it's like, yeah, APAC exists. But there are a lot of countries that are buying off politicians. What was it? What was it that um I want to say the World Economic Forum was the group that said this, but it might have been Davis or it might have been BlackRock. But somebody, one of those European globalist types, was like, oh, you can buy a senator for $10,000. And he talked, and in my opinion, he spoke like that was common knowledge. You know, so it's like, uh, maybe we should cut all ties of foreign governments when it comes to how people should vote. So yeah, so APAC is just one group among many. And the Calyx says, okay.

SPEAKER_05 22:40

Cody's my pal.

SPEAKER_04 22:42

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:43

Oh, he said that earlier. Sorry. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 22:47

Yeah, Cody will probably be on here next week going, that's not true. And then we'll fight.

SPEAKER_05 22:57

Or we might talk about the blockade of Hermese or something.

SPEAKER_04 23:02

I know, but we're trying to keep on faith topics because the algorithm, the algorithm, the algorithm. And I feel like I pushed people's patience with the Trump stuff.

SPEAKER_05 23:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:11

You know, that that still no list graphic, I think, got on a lot of people's nerves. I think we lost like 12 or 15 subscribers or something because we just made everybody bad because we were criticizing Trump. But anyway. So, all right, let's let's focus on this silliness because I think it's about to get ridiculous. I think I smell where this is going. But I am gonna say this clip is valid because they're playing her old speech, they're not just quote mining it. So if she says what they say she says, then it's a fair criticism.

SPEAKER_02 23:41

But we'll see. Mighty God. And you have not backed away from any of this. Thank you for allowing me to serve you, to serve people of faith, and to serve the American people. Uh I've heard many people take credit for you being here, or for some of your victories, and for the being in the sacred office of the president. But the truth of it is, is you are here because of God and because of you. And I just wanted to share this thought and then pray over President Trump. Jesus taught us so many lessons through his death, burial, and resurrection. He showed us great leadership. Great transformation requires great sacrifice. And Mr. President, no one has paid the price like you have paid the price. It almost cost you your life. You were betrayed and arrested and falsely accused. It's a familiar pattern that our Lord and Savior showed us. But it didn't end there for him and it didn't end there for you. God always had a plan. On the third day, he wrote.

SPEAKER_04 25:02

Okay, I'm gonna say something a little weird. Actually, I'm gonna say two things that are a little weird. Number one, I don't know why, but I cannot stop staring at Trump's face. Like his reactions to stuff is just like they're so hard to read, and they just they just like make me go, what are you thinking? Anyway, but as for her, I I I'm like when we listen to her sermon, we need to see if her voice quivers like that often. Because I'm like trying to decide if she how sincere she's being. Like, I'm trying to like, okay, is she flattering or is she really like emotional? Because she sounds emotional, but we haven't listened to her enough to really know. So I wanna I want us to pay attention to her demeanor, like in her sermons and stuff, and see if this is something she does a lot. Because I'm I'm interested if she's actually carried away with emotion or not. So just bear that in mind. I just wanna I just want to watch for that. Caleb says, Trump said he wasn't going to heaven, and she said he's here because of God, but not in the literal, not in the literally sense. And then he adds l-ol. Uh okay. He's like, this is too much. Calyx says, this is too much. She's so fake. Clown world. It's a possibility. It could totally be flattery. It could. It could. I'm just curious. We'll see if she we'll see how she uh we'll see how she behaves in our sermons. She's brown nosing. Yeah, she could be brown nosing. That's what I'm trying to decide. I'm like, okay, she's, you know, is she putting on airs or is she meaning it? Uh let's see. What was the first one he said? Yeah, that is that is an interesting thing that he said. Uh he said that Trump is not going to heaven. Or he believed he wasn't going to heaven. Trump said that? Yeah. Yeah, he did say that. And I've always found that interesting as to why. And I wonder why he said that. Um, and then uh he's here because of God, but not in the literally sense. I think she's referring to the assassination. Um, okay. Yeah, I think I think that's what she's talking about in con in context there is the assassination. Uh then Calix says, for sure. Ha! So all right. I think I think we're about to get into where it gets kooky.

SPEAKER_02 27:24

He defeated evil, he conquered death, hell, and the grave. And because he rose, we all know that we can rise. And sir, because of his resurrection, you what does that mean?

SPEAKER_04 27:36

Because he rose, we can all rise. She's talking about Jesus. Well, I know, because Jesus rose, we can all rise. What does that mean?

SPEAKER_05 27:47

Well, but when when you believe in in Jesus, and then you get baptized, you die to sin, and then you gr you rise again.

SPEAKER_04 28:00

So you think she's talking about the resurrection on the last day, or is she talking about some kind of metaphorical thing?

SPEAKER_05 28:06

No, that's what she's talking about. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 28:09

We'll go with that. We'll go with that, because I don't know what she's talking about. So I think if that sounds good enough for me.

SPEAKER_02 28:20

Wait, what? Uh hang on.

SPEAKER_04 28:23

Because Jesus was victorious, he was victorious. That we can rise up.

SPEAKER_02 28:29

And sir, because of his resurrection, you rose up. Because he was victorious, you were victorious. Okay, wait, what?

SPEAKER_04 28:42

What okay, what correlation does Christ's resurrection have with Trump surviving an assassination? Dare I say she's reaching. She's reaching. Just a smidge, just a smidge. Okay, Calic says, televangelists are all sold out. She's not making a good case for herself. She's not that that was absolute nonsense. All right, let's see.

SPEAKER_02 29:11

And I believe that the Lord said to tell you this because of his victory, you will be victorious in all you put your hand to.

SPEAKER_04 29:22

Uh uh, no. That's let's let's go back to the replay. Let's go back to the replay. Hang on here. Because of his victory. Uh we need to go further back, actually. She said something else stupid. Hang on.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

We all know that we can rise.

SPEAKER_04 29:44

That made no sense.

SPEAKER_02 29:45

And sir, because of his resurrection, you rose up. Because he was victorious, you were victorious.

SPEAKER_04 29:51

No.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

And I believe that the Lord said to tell you this.

SPEAKER_04 29:55

Because of his victory, you I believe that the Lord said to tell you this. Okay. So this is what she thinks she heard from God.

SPEAKER_05 30:06

She got a revelation from God to say this to Trump.

SPEAKER_04 30:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 30:11

Said to tell you this. Because of his victory, you will be victorious in all you put your hand to.

SPEAKER_04 30:19

That makes no sense. That did not come from God. Well, God did not come from God to us. Yeah, that God does not speak in incoherent gibberish. So, uh, okay, so because Christ rose from the dead and paid for all men's sin, Trump is going to be victorious in everything he does, including his cover-up of the Epstein files. Am I hearing that correctly, or is that a jump? I don't think he needs to be victorious in everything he does.

SPEAKER_05 30:53

That's conspiratorial, Gary. Oh, you're right. You're right.

SPEAKER_04 30:57

My mistake. He, yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable explanation. So okay, the Epstein stuff, as horrible as that is, we got that. But just because Christ rose from the dead, that does not mean Trump is just going to automatically succeed in everything. That doesn't make any sense. I can't even I can't even find a way in my head as to how to spiritualize that. Can you can you come up with like a metaphorical, metaphysical, super duper abstract way to conceptualize Christ's resurrection with Trump being politically victorious?

SPEAKER_05 31:45

Well, if enough people pray about it, then yeah, it'll work.

SPEAKER_04 31:51

But what does that have to do with Christ's resurrection?

SPEAKER_05 31:55

Uh if all of us who believe in the resurrection of Christ pray for Trump to be victorious, then he'll be victorious.

SPEAKER_04 32:05

But that's because God wills it and people are asking, not because of Christ's resurrection. Like my point is there's no direct correlation between the two. Well, also she's prophesying. But what does that mean? Like prophesying, she's saying two completely independent clauses and going and like mixing them together and saying, because Christ died on the cross, you are going to succeed in your political endeavors. Exactly. How does that make sense? I need I need specifics. That just sounds like gobbledygook. It just sounds it sounds like nonsense words. It sounds like nonsense words.

SPEAKER_05 32:45

I can't pick it apart and make it okay.

SPEAKER_04 32:47

My sympathy for her has died. All right, let's move on.

SPEAKER_02 32:54

Amen. Because God is with you and God is using you to defeat evil, to restore families.

SPEAKER_05 33:02

God is with her or with him, and God is using you.

SPEAKER_04 33:06

That has no correlation with Christ's resurrection. No, that was a nonsense statement. Like you cannot connect those two thoughts. No, it's prophesying. Define prophecy.

SPEAKER_05 33:21

The person who's prophesying.

SPEAKER_04 33:24

No, no, that doesn't work. You can't use a word to define another word. What? You can't use the same word to define a word. You can't use prophesying to define prophecy. I asked, what is prophecy?

SPEAKER_05 33:36

Oh, what is prophecy? Uh hearing from God, hearing a word from God.

SPEAKER_04 33:43

So any message, any message from God is prophesying.

SPEAKER_05 33:49

And then telling it to whoever needs to hear it.

SPEAKER_04 33:55

Okay, so that that's way broader than I understand it. I I'm under the impression that prophesying is here in the future. Or telling the future.

SPEAKER_05 34:03

Oh. Well no, it doesn't necessarily have to be the future. It could just be uh like a statement.

SPEAKER_04 34:11

Okay, so if God says anything at all, and you relay it, and then you relay it, then you're prophesying. Okay, is that their definition?

SPEAKER_05 34:24

So if so if I hear from God uh hey, Trevor, this is God, uh-huh. And I'm I'm just trying to put the pieces together for myself and what's going on. So if I hear from God, uh-huh, Gary is going to preach the gospel.

SPEAKER_04 35:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 35:03

And then I come to you the next day and tell you, hey, God told me yesterday that you're gonna one day preach the gospel. That's prophesying.

SPEAKER_04 35:14

Yeah, but you're telling the future in that instance, so but it doesn't necessarily have to be that. So if I turned around and said anything, if I turned around and said, okay, and I'm just stress testing the idea here. So if I turned around and said, hey, uh Trevor, you should stop lusting. God told me to tell you that. Now, is is that prophesying?

SPEAKER_05 35:35

That's prophetic, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:37

Okay, well, what if I just read it in the Bible and because the Bible says it, I said God said it. Is it still prophesying? Is it still prophesying?

SPEAKER_05 35:48

That's a good point.

SPEAKER_04 35:49

Yeah, I don't I don't think that holds very well. So alright.

SPEAKER_05 35:56

Well, that's because that's because I'm not picking on you, by the way. Well, that's because I well, like I said, I'm just trying to make sense of it myself.

SPEAKER_04 36:06

And I I don't think there's any way you can make sense of that statement she said earlier. I think that's kind of like saying green is blue. It's like, okay, there's one is two. Or one is yeah, one is two. Some like they're like married bachelors exist, some logically incoherent statement, you know. And I think if you're I think a good indicator that something isn't from God is if it's like logically incoherent. Like you can't even make it out in any sort of like linear way. So let's just say she's taking two unconnected ideas, and maybe I'm making too much of it, but she's taking two completely unconnected ideas and trying to sound profound with them. So that's my suspicion. But anyway, so okay, so Sheath believes that God is going to use Trump to defeat evil and his enemies or something. So let's see if I can get this right. All right.

SPEAKER_02 37:11

Amen. Because God is with you and God is using you to defeat evil, to restore families, to awaken the church, to harvest the nations, and to bring a worldwide revival. So I'm gonna ask something. Would you all stand and just, if you're comfortable, stretch your hand towards our president? And even if uh Reverend Graham you'd like to lay hands on him and Pastor Robert and just come in agreement with me for 2 Chronicles 7.14 declares: if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray, then I will hear from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land. So today we humble ourselves and we seek you, Lord Jesus. You declared in Proverbs 14, 34 that it said, the righteousness exalts a nation. So we declare righteousness over America and that every decision that is upon President Trump's shoulders, he will make them in your righteousness. We declare Psalm 32, 12, that blessed is the nation whose God is Lord. So today we declare that America is blessed.

SPEAKER_04 38:24

Okay. Dumb but not blasphemous would be my final thought. Uh if that was the whole thing, like she said some nonsense, but I don't know if she was like literally calling him Jesus. Like, I think it's a little bit of a reach to say she was saying he was Christ or like Christ or something like that.

SPEAKER_05 38:46

Yeah, I know. It's a little melodramatic. It was just kind of a comparison, compare and contrast type thing.

SPEAKER_04 38:53

Which is that's not blasphemous. It's like if she'd said you were like Christ because you were going to save this country from its sins, you have been sent by God. Or something, you know, like made a bunch of messianic language or something like that. That'd have been different. But she just she just said something kind of nonsensical, which annoyed me. But I don't think that she's like committing blasphemy or something. We hope you enjoyed this episode of Faith Fiction and Folklore. If you did, we would love it if you would subscribe to us on YouTube or follow us on Rumble. We can also be found on X, Instagram, and Facebook. And we are available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, and iHeartRadio. Thank you again very much for listening, and we'll see you next time.