Faith Fiction and Folklore Podcast
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Faith Fiction and Folklore Podcast
Bible Reading, Kenneth Copeland Interview and announcing Changes for the Show
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On this episode, we will be going over Genesis 47, and Matthew 7. Then we will be reacting to a Kenneth Copland Interview, and talking about some changes for the show.
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Hello everyone. Hey, what's up? Hey. You're not sharing my screen.
SPEAKER_03Well, crud. Hang on here just a minute. Well, while I'm doing that tonight, we're going to be talking about gen, we're going to be reading Genesis 47 and then Matthew 7. Hello, Kalix. He says, Yo, we back, boys. We are indeed. We are indeed. And then we are done.
SPEAKER_07It's crazy. You say we're going to Genesis 47? It's a miracle.
SPEAKER_04All right. Which screen am I sharing here? Alright. Y'all got it. There we go. Yep, there we go. I don't know if I did.
SPEAKER_03All right. So can y'all hear me okay? Trevor, you got the uh live stream up per chance? Oh, wait, no, we're good. We're good.
SPEAKER_05Yes, you're good. I can hear you on both.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Nice. Thank you, sir. Yeah. So, and then we're going to talk about we're in the night with uh Kenneth Copeland, an interview with Kenneth Copeland. That was uh interesting. We'll see how that goes. So uh yeah, that's all I got.
SPEAKER_07So you said Matthew 7 in the middle, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, Matthew 7, right? Yes. Okay, well, before we begin, anybody got anything they want to talk about? Or how is everybody? How are you? It's been a few weeks. How you been? Brain fog.
SPEAKER_07You have brain fog now, or you had brain fog the last few weeks?
SPEAKER_05Forever and always I will have brain fog.
SPEAKER_07Oh, well, that's a very bleak outlook on mental health, Trevor. He's barely sentient. He's like a tree.
SPEAKER_05I'm from the land of barely there. I can remember those stories incredibly.
SPEAKER_07I like it a lot. Honestly, it makes it makes really little followers, I think is what it makes. That's because it consists of people like it. All cursed words.
SPEAKER_03All right, I just switched it over, so it should it should work now, but now I'm gonna have to go in here behind the scenes and try to fix whatever the crud was going on with the share screen.
SPEAKER_04So Trevor, how are we now?
SPEAKER_05Hold on, catching up, catching up.
SPEAKER_04All right. There we go. Okay.
SPEAKER_03Well, okay, there he goes. Yeah, we're professionals. It's great. It's just great. Wonderful. All right. Well, let me try to make that announcement again since this is going so well so far. Uh we're just gonna be doing the live stream. I've got research, a research project I'm doing for work. So that's gonna take up my Saturdays. Not gonna be chopping the chopping up the live stream in the smaller episodes anymore. Not until the research project is done. And if it the Lord willing, that will be like December. So, and then maybe after December it can go back to the way it was. But for the time being, we're just gonna do the live stream. It's doing it, tends to do better than the smaller episodes anyway. So that's kind of what we're up to. All right, now you two talk amongst yourselves and entertain while I try to fix this volume snafu, whatever it is.
SPEAKER_04Ah, it's worse things.
SPEAKER_05What Gary's saying is we just need to leave the live on, and then all three of us, when we have 20 seconds here and there, I'll read like a few verses.
SPEAKER_07No, man, that sounds awful, actually. Um, I like to have that available to myself. That would not work out. I I really like uh just the live state the live stream platform because it's it just it makes it makes loyal followers because people are like they're genuinely interested in what you want to say, right? Yeah instead of instead of just whatever you're talking about.
SPEAKER_05Well, yeah, there's channels that all they do is live stream and they just hang out with people online, that's all they do. Yeah, they don't do gaming content, they don't play anything, they they might look up some TikToks and watch random TikToks that their viewers send them.
SPEAKER_07I definitely don't want to just want to hang out with people on the internet. That's not my vibe, but uh unless it's Calix.
SPEAKER_03We all love Calix.
SPEAKER_05No, I was just saying, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Except Calix.
SPEAKER_05Well hang out with Calyx all at all.
SPEAKER_03Uh how about now? How about now? Am I am I audible on the live stream? Because I found a new way that OBS messes with you if this actually worked.
SPEAKER_02He's waiting, he's waiting, he's waiting, he's waiting, he's waiting. He's waiting. Still waiting.
SPEAKER_03Great.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you're good.
SPEAKER_03So I realized that the reason it wasn't working last time is because the channel was active, and now OBS won't let you turn microphones on whenever the channel's active on the stream. So it's found a new way to make your world difficult. It's wonderful. I hate OBS. I hate it. If I had more money, I'd pay for stream yards. But anyway.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I was gonna switch try and do riverside last week, but it's it's like all AI. AI whole thing. What does that mean? Uh no. Yeah, there's a new one, a new type of like it's kind of like OBS. It's called Riverside, but basically, you tell just like Chat GPT or um whatever, you tell it what you want to do, and it sets the whole stream up for you. I might do that.
SPEAKER_04I ain't proud. I don't care if it's a computer. So Riverside.
SPEAKER_05It's called Rivers Riverside. Riverside Stream.
SPEAKER_03I might have actually used that program for work. Podcasts I deal with at work.
SPEAKER_05A lot of the newer kids.
SPEAKER_03Oh, them kids, they're staying on top of that. Actually, yeah, I think uh, because um I'm not doing it so much now, but for a while I was doing uh like editing for another podcast. I think they might have been using Riverside, actually, which is very interesting. So, okay, all right. Well, who wants to begin by reading Genesis?
SPEAKER_04All right, I'll get into it.
SPEAKER_07I got my glasses on anyway.
SPEAKER_05Might as well he's glassing, he's glassing. I'm glassing.
SPEAKER_07Then Joseph. All right, sorry, go on. Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh and said, My father and my brethren, and their flocks and their herds and all that they have are coming out of the land of Canaan. And behold, they're in the land of Goshen. And he took some of his brethren, even five men, and presented them unto Pharaoh. And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we and also our fathers. They said, Moreover, unto Pharaoh, for to sojourn in the land are we come, for they thy servants have no pasture for their flocks, for the famine is soared in the land of Canaan. Now there is for, we pray thee, let thy servants dwell in the land of Goshen. What's that mean? There we go. Is that is Goshen right next to the ocean?
SPEAKER_03I don't remember exactly where Goshen is, but it's an actual locate location in Egypt. I do I do remember that. Uh we can we can Google it. I know about I know about the motion of the ocean.
SPEAKER_05It's probably by the Nile River.
SPEAKER_03We can always Google things. So where's the land of Goshen in Egypt, huh?
SPEAKER_07Do you know about the motion of the ocean? Do you don't? Oh.
SPEAKER_05I don't think he ever owned a waterbed.
SPEAKER_07It's winter.
SPEAKER_05I accidentally poked a hole in one of those once.
SPEAKER_07I don't think it was an accident, knowing you.
SPEAKER_03I feel like this is derailing.
SPEAKER_07I think you like you were probably playing with an ink pan or something, and you were like, oh, whoops.
SPEAKER_03All right, let's see here. According to AI, Goshen is located in the northeastern Naya Delta of Egypt. It is believed to have been situated near the Pelusiac branch of the Nile, close to the Mediterranean Sea and the border of Canaan.
SPEAKER_05Well, there we go. Right. Well, the Nile does go right through Egypt, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_07I mean, it was a good it was a good guess.
SPEAKER_05It's the one that that turned to blood.
SPEAKER_07Yeah. All right. Um five. And Pharaoh spake unto Joseph, saying, Thy father and thy brethren are come unto thee. The land of Egypt is before thee, and the land of the land in the best of the land, make thy father and brethren to dwell in the land of Goten, let them dwell. And if thou knowest any men of activity among them, then make them rulers over my cattle. And Joseph brought in Jacob his father and set them before Pharaoh. And Jacob blessed Pharaoh. And Pharaoh said unto Jacob, How old art thou? And Jacob said unto Pharaoh, The days of the years of my pilgrimage are a hundred and thirty years. Few and evil have the days of the years of my pilgrimage.
SPEAKER_04That was because I was evilist. But anyway, go on.
SPEAKER_03Few and evil few and evil. This is hectic days. He's admitting, he's admitting his no, he's saying he was miserable.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, and the NIV is difficult.
SPEAKER_03I'm making a joke, by the way. That's not a theological claim, just so you know. But uh, yeah, few and evil of my days have been. He's had a hard time of it.
SPEAKER_07Have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage. Wow, what a sentence. That wasn't even the whole sentence. I'm gonna read the whole sentence again. It's the whole verse, too. It's the whole verse is a sentence. Use the commas. And Jacob said unto Pharaoh, The days of the years of my pilgrimage are 130 years. Few and evil have the days of the years of my life been, and have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage. That was ridiculous.
SPEAKER_03You did it.
SPEAKER_07Okay. And Jacob blessed Pharaoh because he made such a large, ridiculous sentence. Sorry. And Jacob blessed Pharaoh and went out from before Pharaoh. And Joseph placed his father and his brethren and gave them a possession in the land of Egypt, in the best of the land, in the land of Ramses, as Pharaoh had commanded. And Joseph nourished his father and his brethren and all his father's household with bread according to their families.
SPEAKER_08Yes, sir.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Is that the same Ramses as Moses? No, is this Ramses? This is like 400 years before Moses.
SPEAKER_04So it'd be a different Ramses.
SPEAKER_03Okay. So by the way, uh Calic. Hey, let's go. Thanks. I'm assuming he's referring to a comment we said earlier, but I know I felt like I needed to read that.
SPEAKER_05So yeah, he could finally hear all of us.
SPEAKER_03So okay, sorry, go on, Trevor. So yeah, this was 400 years before Moses.
SPEAKER_05So is this is this where they kind of get integrated into Egypt, the Israelites? Yes, and how they become slaves. So would you say, would you say that Joseph signed them up?
SPEAKER_03No, no, it explains it in Exodus later on. So uh Amy McLennan, welcome back. It's good to see you. Appreciate the emoji.
SPEAKER_04So, hello, hello.
SPEAKER_07Good morning. Like like biblical um indentured servitude, slavery, as you'd call it. I'm kind of into it. I mean, they give you work for seven years and they give you a chunk of land.
SPEAKER_03That's not how that worked. That's not how that worked. You're gonna have to read Exodus. No, they're slave slaves, they're not indentured servants.
SPEAKER_07Well, I mean, further on they were, though. Like the gospel era?
SPEAKER_03No, no. That's the Romans. That's like a completely different thing. And the Romans never enslaved anybody. Like the Romans just conquered land and said, You're ours now. I mean, they did enslave the Romans, but they didn't enslave the Jews like as a country, the way that it's talking about here. That's what I mean. Read my mind. Don't don't just listen to my words. So, anyway. Yeah, I don't know. It's okay. Where's your mind creating? This is like everything's fine at this point, right? Pharaoh's letting them live in the land because of their relation to Joseph. Everything starts out great. Then another Pharaoh enters the scene and enslaves the people because they get and they're worried about them getting too numerous at about this time. So this is 400 years before Moses.
SPEAKER_05Before Moses.
SPEAKER_03Somewhere between this period and Moses, the people of Israel get enslaved. And it's not indentured servitude.
SPEAKER_07It's just like No, I wasn't I wasn't talking specifically about this story. I was talking about like the idea of biblical indentured servitude.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, one form of slavery would be to like uh sell yourself to pay off a debt. That was something that happened back then. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Yeah. But you like the whole thing about land?
SPEAKER_03Like, did I make that given a plot of land? Uh I couldn't speak intelligently.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, you're gonna plot a land after seven years.
SPEAKER_03That I don't know.
SPEAKER_07Um I think I read that the other day, and I was like, dude, that's kind of a sweet deal because land is just like a crazy thing to get in here.
SPEAKER_04It's very hard now.
SPEAKER_03If you get land, you need to grab it because otherwise BlackRock will get it and you'll own nothing to be happy and eat the bugs, and it'll be great. So, yeah. Yeah, all right. Let's stay focused. Let's just stay focused. Where are we at? I've lost where we're I've lost the plot.
SPEAKER_0713, all right. And there was no bread in all the land, for the famine was very sore, so that the land of Egypt and all the land of Canaan fainted by the reason of the famine. Uh languished is another word for fainted. So they were just like uh downtrodden and hungry, I guess. And Joseph gathered up all the money that was found in the land of Egypt and in the land of Canaan for the corn which they bought. And Joseph brought the money into Pharaoh's house. Is corn is that a legitimate word in the Bible, in the Hebrew Bible?
SPEAKER_03Like there's different kinds of grains. I know that they have different words for grains, but corn was kind of a modern. I don't think so. I think they had corn back then, too. Okay, Amy says, waiting for potatoes to cook. That sounds nice.
SPEAKER_05Are you baking them? That sounds good. Baked potatoes.
SPEAKER_03All right, so yes, I do believe corn, they had corn back then.
SPEAKER_07So I don't know. I heard it came from South America. It's a conspiracy. Okay. Where were we? 16?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, go ahead. Let's say uh wait, I think 15.
SPEAKER_07Yeah. And when money failed in the land of Egypt, in the land of Canaan, all the Egyptians came unto Joseph and said, Give us bread, for why should we die in thy presence? For the money faileth. Wow. So they're currency flatlined. That's like what the US dollar is about to do. That's why Trump had the Strait of War Moose closed off because he wanted to give the dollar validation.
SPEAKER_03But okay, let's move on. Amy says uh she's baking the potatoes, takes long enough.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Very good. And Joseph said, give your cattle, and I will give you for your cattle if money fail.
SPEAKER_04All right.
SPEAKER_07I don't know what that means. Well, they're gonna trade their cattle under Joseph's.
SPEAKER_03They're gonna trade uh like goods, they're gonna barter because they don't have a currency, basically.
SPEAKER_05And the in the NIV it says, I will sell you food in exchange for your livestock since your money is gone.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so they're bar they're bartering basically.
SPEAKER_07And they brought their cattle under Joseph, and Joseph gave them bread in exchange for horses and for the flocks and for the cattle of the herds. Why wouldn't they just kill the cattle and eat them instead of eating bread? Bread's terrible anyway.
SPEAKER_03Cows make milk and produce like butter and produce other goods.
SPEAKER_07You don't want to kill if you're starving to death, you still have to be.
SPEAKER_03Yes, but they still that means they still got crops. And if you have like grass and crops, you can keep hopefully you can keep your cattle alive. Like they would they would eventually kill them if they didn't have a choice, but you know.
SPEAKER_07I can kill my own cow before I'm going, please give me some bread, sir. Please, I'm gonna kill the cow. Well, I mean I mean, maybe maybe that's stubborn pride, I but that's what I'm doing.
SPEAKER_03But I believe you'd do it, but I think they would they just decided to do it some other way, I guess.
SPEAKER_07I mean Well, once again, I think these people are silly.
SPEAKER_03Uh okay then. Okay. I mean, I'm not gonna cast stones at people alive thousands of years ago, but okay. Where are we at? Where were we? 18. Do you want to you want me to take over? You got okay, I'll I'll do it. Um when that when that year was ended, they came unto him the second year and said unto him, We will not hide it from my Lord. How that our money is spent, my Lord ha also hath our herds of cattle. There is not aught left in the sight of my Lord, but our bodies and our land and our lands. Wherefore shall we die before thine eyes, both we and our land? Buy us and our land for bread, and we and our land will be servants unto Pharaoh, and give us seed, that we may live and not die, that the land be not desolate. Now Joseph bought all the land of Egypt for Pharaoh, for the Egyptians sold every man his field, because the famine prevailed over them. So the land became Pharaoh's. And as for the people he removed them to cities from one end of the borders of Egypt, even to the other end thereof. Only the land of the priests bought he not, for the priests had a portion assigned them of Pharaoh, and did eat their portion which Pharaoh gave them. Wherefore they sold not their lands. Then Joseph said unto the people, Behold, I have bought you this day and your land for Pharaoh. Lo, here is seed for you, and ye shall sow the land. So this would be indentured servitude.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, and did you notice that they started calling him Lord after that?
SPEAKER_07So this is this is Yeah, dude, this whole story is like uh it's like they they gave them the land for the food.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, they sold the land for food, and then they were like and then basically Joseph took them to the cities for a time, then presumably he sent them back and gave them seed, and it was basically like you're gonna get your land back, but now you're gonna grow crops for us, type of deal. So it'd be like feudalism, and it'd be a little bit like feudalism, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_05So he became a little bit of a few.
SPEAKER_07So it was like they came in, they came in, he gave him a gift, and he was like, Wait a minute, I need to make money off these people. And then so they did the whole famine thing.
SPEAKER_03Uh they sold, they sold, they sold their currency for land, then the currency or currency for food, then the currency failed, then they bartered, then they sold their land, then they sold themselves. And Joseph basically bought all this up and then reapportioned everybody by the time the famine was over. Or like resituated everybody.
SPEAKER_05So yeah, he owned everybody.
SPEAKER_03Technically, the Pharaoh owned everybody, but he's doing this on behalf of Pharaoh, yes. So, yeah. Hard times.
SPEAKER_07He now owns a civilization. Like they they like I said, dude, I would have killed my own cow. They did this to themselves.
SPEAKER_03I you're I don't know. I mean, I guess we could talk about that for a minute if you want to.
SPEAKER_07It's like like the whole the whole thing is like they're they're they're willing to give up their autonomy to live. They're like, hey, give me bread, dude. I'll sell you myself, whatever, dude. Just feed me, you know, and that's that's that's a messiah outside of yourself, which you're not supposed to look for that because like Christ, like you have Christ, so you're within you of it.
SPEAKER_03So you're saying you better off to die.
SPEAKER_07You shouldn't look for outside messiahs, yeah. Yeah, you use what you have until it's gone, and then if the Lord doesn't provide for you, then I I don't know what to tell you, but he will.
SPEAKER_03I mean, yeah, I don't know if I disagree if you're not. I think that's one of those decisions everybody'd have to make for themselves, depending on where they're at. I don't know. I don't know. It would depend.
SPEAKER_07I mean, this whole story is like the it's a picture of a civilization rising and falling.
SPEAKER_03Well, you're not wrong. Yeah, this is definitely Egypt accumulating power as a result of the famine, but they wouldn't have been able to have done it without Joseph Strain. So that's kind of the the point.
SPEAKER_07I just kind of feel like people do this stuff on purpose, or it's almost like never use, never uh let a uh tragedy go to waste.
SPEAKER_03Rob emailing Rob Emanuel, never never let a good crisis go to waste. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Right, yeah. It's it's either that or it's done on purpose.
SPEAKER_03I don't think this was done on purpose, obviously, but yeah, uh this is how people get power. They get but this is what they're trying to, I mean, you could argue this is what they're trying to do now by buying this is why BlackRock was trying to buy up all the houses before uh Trump to his credit, shut that down.
SPEAKER_07Um the story is also a picture of the Hawaii thing.
SPEAKER_03That they totally did not set up. It's kind of funny, isn't it? You know, it's like, oh, in the name of the environment, we're not gonna cut anything. What? There was a lightning strike and there was a fire. What you mean there were a bunch of fires at the same time? Boy, that's a lot of lightning. Weird. And on a windy day, oh my goodness, so sad. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Hey, what's that guy with the blowtorch doing?
SPEAKER_03You don't need a blowtorch for a cigarette, silly. What are you thinking?
SPEAKER_05Speaking of buyers and conspiracies, there's a new one going around. Um, junkyards are going up in flames, so you can't buy our parts.
SPEAKER_03You want to know why? Because there's kill switches in all the new cars.
SPEAKER_07They're gonna well, that's not why. I mean, but yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Well, they want to be able to like shut your car down whenever they decide there's gonna be a crisis, or they want to drive, they want to auto-drive the car to your to the jail.
SPEAKER_07So you'll be like, so you'll be like, Daddy, please give me a I think you're on to something, Cody.
SPEAKER_03I was gonna be a dismissive butt, but I think you're on to something.
SPEAKER_05So we're gonna have to go back to Amish rules and do it. Dude, I think so.
SPEAKER_03I'm moving to Japan. Or I don't know, somewhere where they're already eating bugs anyway, so it doesn't look like a win.
SPEAKER_07So Japan looks pretty cool, man. I think I like Japan. Amy, except for the food. I'm allergic, I'm allergic to shellfish, so the food situation.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we're gonna have to get inventive. You're gonna have to live off rice stalks and you know, snails or something. Yeah. Uh Amy says, I knew it. Exactly. So it's all it's all a conspiracy, man. Yeah. So no, dude, I think that's what they're trying to do. I think they're trying to like buy up all the land, create scarcity, and then they're gonna turn us all in the feudal serfs. I think that's what they're attempting to do.
SPEAKER_07Well, they they can try, they can only do small areas of the city. Yeah, well, Americans worked. I mean, it worked in Bolshevik Russia.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, they're just copying Bolshevik Russia. But hey, Americans still got their guns, so there's that. So, yay. We'll see if that works out. Uh anyway, I guess we should move on unless anybody's got any final thoughts on that point.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_03All right, where were we at? I lost my place in focus. Let's see here.
SPEAKER_05We were uh 24 seeds, I think.
SPEAKER_03All right. Then Joseph said unto the people, uh, behold, I have bought you this day and your land for Pharaoh. Lo, here is seed for you, and ye shall sow the land. And it shall come to pass in the increase that ye shall give the fifth part unto Pharaoh, and four parts shall be your own, for seed of the field, and for your food, and for them of your households, and for food of your little ones. And they said Yeah, twenty percent. And they said, Thou hast saved our lives, let us find grace in the sight of my Lord, and we will be Pharaoh's servants. And Joseph made it a law over the land of Egypt unto this day that Pharaoh should have the fifth part, except the land of the priests only, which became not Pharaoh's. And Israel dwelt in the land of Egypt in the country of Goshen, and they had possessions therein, and grew and multiplied exceedingly. And Jacob lived in the land of Egypt seventeen years, so the whole age of Jacob was a hundred was an hundred and forty and seven years. And the time drew nigh that Israel must die, and he called his son Joseph and said unto him, If now I have found grace in thy sight, put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh, and deal kindly and truly with me. Bury me not, I pray thee in Egypt. But I will lie with my fathers, and thou shalt carry me out of Egypt, and bury me in their burying place. And he said, I will do as thou hast said. And he said, Swear unto me, and he swear unto him. And Israel bowed himself upon the bed's head. That is forty seven. We're gonna go ahead and do forty-eight, so that we can wrap up Genesis next week, Lord willing. So this would be the beginning of forty eight. And it came to pass after these things that one told Joseph, Behold, thy father is sick, and he took with him his two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim. And one told Jacob and said, Behold, thy son Joseph cometh unto thee, and Israel straightened himself and sat upon the bed. And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me. And he said unto me, Behold, I will make thee fruitful and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people, and will give this land to thy seed after thee for an everlasting possession. And now thy two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, which were born unto thee in the land of Egypt before I came unto thee in Egypt, are mine, as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine. And thy issue which thou begettest after them shall be thine, and shall be called after the name of their brethren, brethren in their inheritance. And as for me, when I came from Padden, Rachel died by me in the land of Canaan in the way, when yet there was but a little way to come unto Ephraith, and I buried her there in the way of Ephraith, the same as Bethlehem. And Israel beheld Joseph's sons and said, Who are these? And Joseph said unto his father, They are my sons, whom God hath given me in this place. And he said, Bring them, I pray thee, unto me, and I will bless them. Now the eyes of Israel were dim of age, so that that so that he could not see, and he brought them near unto him, and he kissed them, and embraced them. And Israel said unto Joseph, I had not thought to see thy face, and lo, God hath showed me also thy seed. And Joseph brought them out from between his knees, and he bowed himself with his face to the earth. And Joseph took them both, Ephraim in his right hand toward Israel's left, and Manasseh in his left hand toward Israel's right hand, and brought them near unto him. And Israel stretched out his right hand and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly, for Manasseh was the firstborn. So what's happening is he's about to give Manasseh the uh Ephraim the primary blessing instead of Manasseh, even though Ephraim is the younger. But Jacob also being, yeah, because Jacob's the younger, he's going to give the blessing to the younger brother here as well. But Joseph wants him to give the blessing to the older. So it's kind of a callback to the whole Jacob and Esau thing. So um and he Oh, you can you can start if you want, it's fine. We are at 15.
SPEAKER_07And he blessed Joseph and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day. The angel which redeemed me from all evil blessed the lads, and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers, Abraham and Isaac, and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth. And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him, and he held up his father's hand to remove it from Ephraim's head onto Manasseh's head. And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father, for this is the firstborn. Put thy right hand upon his head. And his father refused and said, I know it, my son, I know it. He also shall become a people, and he also shall be great, but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations. And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and Manasseh. And he set Ephraim before Manasseh. And Israel said unto Joseph, Behold, I die, but God shall be with you and bring you again unto the land of your fathers. Moreover, I have given to thee one portion above thy brethren, which I took out of the hand of the Amorite with my sword and with my bow. And that is 48.
SPEAKER_03Well, Lord willing, next week we will wrap up Genesis by reading 49 and 50. Does anybody have any final thoughts before we move on to Matthew? That was quite a blessing.
SPEAKER_04Indeed.
SPEAKER_07So blessed, bro.
SPEAKER_05Could you imagine being blessed by the street?
SPEAKER_03Could you imagine that we actually had a conversation about Charles Schwab and eating not yeah, Klaus Schwab and eating bugs in a Bible reading? That was uh unexpected. It does happen. We tend we tend to ramble.
SPEAKER_07So I mean that's why this is a cool, it's a live stream, you know. It like catches everybody's attention because it's got all these different little weird quirky things, right? It's a live stream. Do it live!
SPEAKER_05There's no fake editing.
SPEAKER_03Editing is not fake. It is certainly time consuming, but it is not fake. Believe me. Anyway, so we are moving on to Matthew 7. Unless somebody has any other comments.
SPEAKER_05Time for some Matthews.
SPEAKER_07Trevor, you want to start this one?
SPEAKER_05I gotta reload my page. It messed up on my hand. I don't want Matthew 16. Wait, is that where we're at? 17 7.
SPEAKER_03Amy is like, if he didn't want us to talk about the bugs, he shouldn't have mentioned it. That's fair. That's fair.
SPEAKER_04That's true. Okay. Yeah. What kind of bugs do you like to eat?
SPEAKER_05The ones in your burgers. How's that work?
SPEAKER_03There you go. I think everybody does.
SPEAKER_05It brings a whole new meaning to buggy bug world, huh?
SPEAKER_03I told you guys about I I know I told you guys about the cat and the tapeworm. I don't we almost had a cat die of a tapeworm not too long ago. That sucked. So anyway. Alright. On that super pleasant note, uh Toxoplasmosis, bro. Uh, you want to, absolutely.
SPEAKER_05Matthew 7. Judge wait, yeah, King James. Okay, judge not that ye be not judges. So who's this talking?
SPEAKER_03Amy says he wants us to eat crickets, I believe. Yes, I think that's right. Uh Nicole Kidman demonstrated our uh our future diet. And then they've got the cricket protein. And that uh what's it called? Uh uh critin, the shell, it like supposedly causes cancer. Yeah. You know, so you can die faster. Yeah. So you can have cricket cancer protein while you're eating Bill Gates' tumor meat. I mean, you're just gonna be a walking blob. It's gonna be great. So yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_07That sounds great. Uh Trevor, this is in my Bible, this is red, so this is Christ talking.
SPEAKER_05Okay. Jesus. Okay. Just making sure. Thank you. Verse 2. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged, and with what measure ye meet, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the moat that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, let me pull out the moat out of thine eye, and behold a beam is in thine own eye? Yeah. Yeah. Thou hypocrite.
SPEAKER_07Thou hypocrite.
SPEAKER_05Thou hypocrite First cast out the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the moat out of thy brother's eye.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, dude. I like that verse. This next one confuses me.
SPEAKER_05Could you imagine if you're talking to someone and they're just straight up gossip and you you interrupt them and you're like, Thou hypocrite.
SPEAKER_07Oh just say that. Yeah, it usually goes over really well.
SPEAKER_05Have you tried it?
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Excuse me. I am perfect. Thank you very much. I don't know what you're talking about.
SPEAKER_05Thou hypocrites. Um verse six, right? Yeah. Give not that which is holy unto the dogs. Neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet and turn again and render them.
SPEAKER_03So I was always taught, and I don't know if this is true, but I was always taught this meant um don't give advice to people who don't want it. Basically, it's like don't give unwelcome advice. Because yeah, because people don't value it and they'll just kind of crap on whatever it is you're saying, then get mad at you for trying to help them.
SPEAKER_07That's something I practice too, and it's it's it's legit, man. Like people listen to you a lot more diligently when you don't speak unless they ask you a question.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Like if you're just quiet and then they ask you a question, like they're gonna listen to what you say. But if you're talking the whole time and they never get to say anything, then they don't give a shit.
SPEAKER_03I guess it makes sense with the whole you're starting with judge not, that you may not be judged, and then you know, leading into don't give unwelcome advice. I think it's kind of the same train of thought. So I I think that's the correct interpretation, but I'm not sure. I don't know of any others. Do you guys know of any other interpretations for that scripture?
SPEAKER_04No. Okay.
SPEAKER_05The only thing I would bring up is uh Solomon talked about it. Um don't don't argue with a bullet or something like that. Because they won't listen to you.
SPEAKER_03Well, there's some people that just that's one of the that's one of the things I have been learning a lot when it comes to the the research project I've been uh you know working on. Uh there's all this talk about empiricism, like with evolution and everything. It's like, you know, we're we're just we're just a fact, you know, we're just letting the science guide us or whatever. And when you look into the history of it, that that's never been true. Like Darwin did not come to believe. I don't think Darwin ever came to believe in uh evolution because he was just compelled by the evidence. If you look, I like his Finch Beak analogy, it's verbatim what his granddad wrote in his science book. You know, so it's not like Darwin just saw the evidence and created a theory. Like, no, he went to those islands knowing what he was already looking for, I think. And uh I think he was also trying to like rebuild or like restore his dad's rep or his granddad's reputation. Now, when he later got called out, like he you know he denied it. He said he didn't get his ideas from his granddad, but I think that's not true. Um, bottom line is there was like an emotional tinge to how. He saw the evidence, and so people see what they want to see, and arguments and evidence they can play a part in terms of like getting rid of people's pretenses, but they're never what actually convince people. So that's probably why you shouldn't argue with a fool. Because they're not interested in logic, there's usually like an emotional reason why people do what they do.
SPEAKER_07So yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_05Um everybody these days is all emotional. We're all idiots.
SPEAKER_07So yeah. Um, so what I was confused about, it's not this verse, it's the verse that says where he's talking to the the lady, I think she's at the well, and she's talking about uh don't give your don't give the children the crumbs that the dogs eat, and the ladies like even the dogs.
SPEAKER_03You're talking about the gentile woman. You're talking about the miracle of the gentile woman. That's later on.
SPEAKER_07Yeah. Uh no, that's uh so does this does this verse can you?
SPEAKER_03No, because what Christ is talking about is this is initially a Jewish covenant, and it's not the time to help the Gentiles. And she's like, Okay, maybe not, but you know, the Gentiles can still get the crumbs of the promise or whatever. And so Jesus being impressed by her faith. Of course, he was also like testing her, like Jesus would do that, he would kind of poke people to see how serious they are, and so it's kind of one of those deals. But I don't think that's in relation to this, I think that's more in relation to like the relationship of the covenant between the Jews and the Gentiles. I think that's more what it's related to. So it's kind of a different deal. Okay. I think somebody might know better. But uh anyway. Uh where are we at?
SPEAKER_04All right.
SPEAKER_05Verse 7. Ask and it shall be given to you. Seek and you shall find. Knock and it shall be opened unto you. For everyone that asketh receiveth, and he that seeketh findeth, and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. Or what man is there of you whom if his son ask bread, will he be will he give him a stone? Or if he asketh a fish, will he give him a serpent? I would hope not. Therefore all things oops, sorry, if ye then being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your father, which is in heaven, give good things to them that ask him? Therefore, all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them, for this is the law and the prophets.
SPEAKER_03Okay, couple points on the number one. I think we are gonna have to like get into a more in-depth conversation about the ask and ye shall, you know, knock and it shall be open unto you, and you shall be given what you yeah. Ask and you sh ask and it shall be given you. Um because I guess people in the prosperity movement are taking that out of context. Um people are people are arguing about this passage a lot. So I think we're gonna have to do an in-depth since this is related to the whole charismatic movement thing. I think we're gonna have to do an in-depth about what the correct interpretation of that is, because I I haven't heard the arguments very cleanly on either way.
SPEAKER_07I think it's kind of how you were talking about with Darwin. Like he went on the islands looking for exactly what he knew what he was looking for, like you said. So, like when people read the gospels, if they're looking for an excuse to do sin and they find something that resembles that in the gospel, they're gonna read it that way. And so so when you say uh seek and you shall find knock and it should be open, it's like it's like, well, I want a Lamborghini, right? And I'm gonna knock at that door until it opens. But what happens there is like you're gonna get your Lamborghini, but you're gonna make a bunch of demonic packs along the way, and like because that's that's your goal. Like, you're gonna get what you want, but that's not what you need. So leave it up to God for what you need, like stop wanting to do that.
SPEAKER_03I'm gonna push back on that because the whole point is if you go several verses down, his whole thing is like, if you're talking about if you who are evil know how to give good gifts, then how much more so will God give you good gifts? That's kind of the context of it. So it does seem to be justifying asking for something, but I mean, obviously we don't we don't always get what we want. So I think that's kind of the contention with the scripture is okay, how this Bible verse seems to be clearly saying if we ask it'll be given to us. Um, but I think the next verse, I mean, the way I would read it would be like the next verse is clarifying that God is going to give you whatever is ultimately for your good. God's going to give you the best gift, and that might not be a Lamborghini, but you should still ask because you know you're trying to ask is to trust God to give you the right thing, give you what you need, give you what's best for you.
SPEAKER_07I'm probably botching that, but yeah, so sure. But I mean, like like my okay, so my son's birthday is we had his party today, but um he really wanted a pair of brass knuckles for his birthday, and he's 10. And I was like, No, you're not getting a pair of brass knuckles, right? It's very yeah, but I mean it's like a pretty common sense answer. I don't have to explain it to you why I said no. But as a father, I know that that's that's not good for my son, and I'm not gonna give him that. Um, but what Jesus is saying is you are the controller of your realm, you build your reality. Um, when you want something, God will give it to you. But it might be bad for you.
SPEAKER_03I mean, I think there's times where that happens.
SPEAKER_07So want for nothing. That's the like, and I I think it says want for nothing somewhere.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but that'll be a completely different context. I don't know if they're I don't know if they're I guess it does. It doesn't matter. It does matter. I don't I think those might be talking about two different things. Jesus is saying the same thing in every parable. There's more than one lesson in the world, because hang on a second. Uh Amy says you ask, but you have to seek and do some work also, I think. So that's her, yeah, you have to work for it.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, but um, like like I guess it's up to you to know whether or not like if you do a demonic ritual to try to get what you want, like that's probably not good. And you're gonna you're gonna incur some debt along the way.
SPEAKER_05Or if you jump on a Ouija board and try and set up a way, hey, I want this, and then you invite a whole bunch of stuff in.
SPEAKER_07That would be you get what you want, that would be forcing your reality. You're knocking at that door until you get what you want.
SPEAKER_05It's just like uh if you ask God for something, it'll be like, okay, you can have it, but you have to do A, B, and C to get there.
SPEAKER_03Possibly. Let me read it again. I'm gonna read it again. I want to try to break it down and go a little slower with it. So let's see. Uh, let me try, let's move up in here. Okay, starting at seven, ask and it shall be given to you. So, first of all, we need to point out between six and seven, it is a completely new thought. So we're starting at the beginning of another section or clause. So ask and it shall be given you, seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth, and he that seeketh findeth, and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. Okay, so if you ask, you receive, if you seeketh, find it, and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. Okay, so first thing I would point out is since we're talking about the beginning of a thought, this is an analogy, this isn't necessarily saying what God will do for people. This is typically what happens if you ask a question or ask for something, you will receive something. And if you seek something, you typically find something, and if you knock, the doors open. Okay, so yeah, so that's just a general It's talking about the way I know, it's just I'm dumb, so I'm going really slow. So, so it's talking about what people do. So this isn't God, and I think a lot of the times this scripture it's like God is the one doing the giving you or helping you find or knocking. I think it's more just like a general principle. Yeah, and so then we move on to nine, or what man is there for you? Whom is his son? Ask whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? So that seems to build on top of eight. So we're talking about general life principle again, and then eleven, if ye then being evil, so you, even though you're a lowly evil human, know how to give good gifts unto your children, that would be your brass knuckles thing. A brass knuckles would not be a good gift. How much more shall your father, which is in heaven, give good things to them that ask him? Okay, so uh yeah, I think I think the interpretation is right then. So God is going to give you what is good for you, not necessarily what you want, so you should still ask. Yeah. I think that's right. Am I am I is there something that would make it that reading wrong?
SPEAKER_07I mean, no, I mean I feel like you should kind of like at least be able to learn the discernment of what a good gift is, though. I mean, like if it puts you in debt, it's not a good gift.
SPEAKER_05Like if it, you know, um he's not gonna give you a Lamborghini because you can't afford the insurance on it.
SPEAKER_03Right. Well, it's also gonna be highly individual. So for example, I might give, say, when my daughter turns 15, I might give her brass knuckles because she's a 15-year-old girl. Whereas I might not give my 15-year-old son brass knuckles because I know he's gonna cave in his little brother's teeth. So, you know, a good gift is also gonna be highly individual. That's my point. So, you know, you gotta trust God to give you what you need specifically, let's say, even though you don't know. 100%. That might be a terrible analogy. I don't know.
SPEAKER_07We're we're silly. We're we're really silly people, uh we have like all these um things that drive us that aren't you know really us that you know they these wants and urges and stuff. Like that's not it's not you that wants that. Like when you when you drink a bunch of beer, right? The pairs, it's not you that wants another beer, it's the beer that wants another beer.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I don't know if I agree with that. I think it's you.
SPEAKER_04I think you're a degenerate and you just want drink because you're awful.
SPEAKER_07Oh I'm actually I don't drink anymore. Okay.
SPEAKER_03Well, okay. I don't have a pole in my eye, you know. You can tell us how you can tell us lowly plebs how it's supposed to be.
SPEAKER_07Sorry, I'm trying to I got a splitter in my eye here.
SPEAKER_04Um I'm sorry, I threw you off. Um that's all good. It was probably good.
SPEAKER_05We could go even deeper with it. God, God sees what's going to happen with each thing you ask for. So, like in context, if you are underage and you ask your parent, hey, can I get a tattoo? Your parents gonna be like, Well, no.
SPEAKER_07You can't because that's not the way the world works. That's great. I like that.
SPEAKER_03I missed that.
SPEAKER_07I was reading that a lot.
SPEAKER_05Your your parent sees ahead of time, okay, that's not a good idea.
SPEAKER_07Nor will it work. Like when they walk in the tattoo shop to underage, they won't let them get a tattoo. No, they some will. If they'll okay that kills the analogy, though.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. But uh what I'm trying to get at is it's ultimately up to the father.
SPEAKER_03Yep. Amy says Amy says no comment. I'm not sure what she's referencing, but I'm sure it was in regard to something stupid one of us said.
SPEAKER_07So everything we say is stupid.
SPEAKER_03It might be the we'll blame the baked potato.
SPEAKER_04So okay.
SPEAKER_07What do we have? Okay. I'll take it back.
SPEAKER_05Uh verse 13 is where I left off.
SPEAKER_07Enter ye ye, enter ye in at the straight gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be there that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening.
SPEAKER_03Okay, I want to stop and ask you, sorry.
SPEAKER_07Okay.
SPEAKER_03We're gonna stop and ask a question here. So the straight gate and the narrow gate, that's a new story. Is the false prophet statement connected to the gate analogy? I suspect that it is, but I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_07I mean, are there historically wolves or sheep at gates?
SPEAKER_03I don't know if that is connected. I'm just I'm just trying to could the false prophets be leading people away from the gate. That's uh as I'm wondering, is that what he's getting at?
SPEAKER_07I'm I'm yeah, I mean, it's certainly there.
SPEAKER_03Because I don't know what the straight and narrow gate is yet in the analogy. Like, obviously, if you've been taught this a certain interpretation your whole life, you're going to assume it's a certain way, but just looking at it, I'm like, okay, I it hasn't I haven't seen the text define it necessarily, except a straight gate is life, and few people find life. I'm going, okay, oh well, why is that? And then it seems like the next thought is uh the false prophets.
SPEAKER_07Let's keep all right, let's keep reading it and see if it builds on that picture. You know, we're walking through the gate, you know, we're looking out for the for the sheeps because they've got wolves in them. Um you shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns or figs of thistles? Even so, every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. See, to me, that's just like warning people about like, don't listen to what people say. Listen to what they're doing.
SPEAKER_03See, I disagree with that though.
SPEAKER_07I like like Brandon Biggs, bro. I spotted that guy from immediately because he the way he acted.
SPEAKER_03See, uh, that's the thing. I'm not convinced fruit means acts. I know everybody uses fruit to mean behavior, but I'm not sure that's what it's talking about. I think fruits like message, whatever the whatever the false prophet is saying. Because it wouldn't make sense. I mean it would be a good thing. Because it's like, why would you be able to tell fruit if you've got the analogy above that says sheep's clothing, but inwardly they're ravening wolves. It's like, okay, well, by all appearances, they look like they're doing the right thing. Yeah, but they're pretty good. And on the inside, they're bad. So if you sit there and then three like four verses later say you'll know them by their fruit, and then say the fruit's the outward behavior, I feel like that undermines the sheep's clothing analogy.
SPEAKER_07No, it's the things that they bring into the world.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it would be like message, like consequences of the message, like consequences of their ideas, but not necessarily their behavior.
SPEAKER_07Right now I'm trying to right now I'm trying to build a business. Um like I I don't know, man. Um and if I was if I was corrupt, you know, then it would be a terrible business, it wouldn't make any money, which it is a terrible business and it doesn't make any money, so I guess I'm corrupt.
SPEAKER_03That would be a terrible analogy. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Um, but yeah, no, I it's I don't know, like the YouTube pillow, with like say on the Brandon Biggs analogy. Like the YouTube pillow is a fruit to me. Like he that's something that he got from his works, and he's like showing it off. It's part of his ego. It's like his, oh, look at my identity. I'm a YouTuber. Right. And so it's like that's the fruit. And like I don't know, I just immediately saw that guy as a bullshit.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so he like.
SPEAKER_07But he projects that he's literally Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_03So I think the thing that tipped me, one of the things that tipped me off. Sorry, Trevor, go ahead.
SPEAKER_05Amy said, fruit takes time. You can get tricked by appearances if you judge too quickly. That could be maybe that could be.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, yeah, fruit does take time. I mean so. Man, what a lesson in patience. I love that. Thank you, Amy. It takes it takes a whole year for a tree to grow apples, right? Why should I expect to make money immediately when I'm struggling with my business and worrying about all that crap and bills and whatever? Don't worry about it. God's got you.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_07It's all in cycles.
SPEAKER_03I had a thought and I was gonna I think I lost it. That's all right.
SPEAKER_07Sorry, I derailed you.
SPEAKER_03Uh thoughts are for nerds. All right, let's see. So oh yeah, I was gonna talk, I was gonna add on to your Brandon Biggs thing. The thing that keyed me to him was like his willingness to use uh a vision to like start defending a doctrinal position of his, you know, whenever he'd already gotten into trouble for interpreting visions, you know, when he didn't actually have like the precise meaning of whatever it was he was seeing. So like the whole like with the Trump bullet thing, his excuse for getting that wrong was uh I saw Trump's ear bleeding and I inferred that his eardrum had busted and I shouldn't have made the inference. And then he turns around after being publicly called out for that and then goes, Oh, this the interpretation of this vision is definitely that my doctrinal position on X is correct. And I was like that that seems a little lacking in character, I guess, you know. So anyway, so I mean, but I mean I bring that up because I'm wondering if that's connected to the messaging aspect of good fruit versus bad fruit. I don't know. Like he's trying to use miracles or whatever to defend a message. I don't know. I'm playing with the idea.
SPEAKER_08Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_03Trevor, were you gonna say something, or did I just pretend like I heard you?
SPEAKER_05Oh no, I was I was making fun of some prophets will have people behind them and they'll yell out prophesy on the mic when they it's really pretty funny. Okay. I'd have to show it to you, but not right now.
SPEAKER_04Prophesy.
SPEAKER_03Okay, let's see. Let's um let's stop at 20 because I know 21 is gonna lead into a huge debate probably next week. So let's just get down to 20 and then we'll we'll kick it up at 21 after that. Because I know there's gonna be probably gonna be a lot to talk about with 20 starting at 21. So uh where were we at?
SPEAKER_07All right, so I'm gonna start at 17 and just go through. Oh, it's 16?
SPEAKER_0516 is the one we just read.
SPEAKER_07Oh, okay. Um even so, every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit, like me. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down and cast into the fire. Wherefore, by their fruits ye shall be.
SPEAKER_03I just want to say that juxtaposition kind of also suggests to me this can't be works because people do both good things and bad things at the same time. Like people do good and bad things concurrently. I don't think it's works. Well, I know, but honestly, the traditional interpretation of the fruit is works, like deeds. That's like the traditional church thing, and I'm calling that out. I'm like, no, that it can't be that because I've never known. Somebody who just does bad things all the time. You know, it's like people are a good dad and then like a Gigi Allen.
SPEAKER_07Who's GG Allen? Gigi Allen. I don't know who that is. Um, I would say look him up, but he's disgusting.
SPEAKER_03Well, you know that all that it's like, you know, the mob guy is such a wonderful father, but then he turns around and kills a dude. So it's like, you know, it can't be works because everybody does good and bad things at the same time. So the fruit's got to be something else. It's got to be something message related or something like that.
SPEAKER_05Like the preacher or pastor who, you know, does his whole thing, saves people, goes to does prison ministry and goes to people's houses, but at the same time, same time also steals out of the out of the money from the church.
SPEAKER_03That's life, though. I mean, everybody does good things and bad things concurrently. That's like just the human condition. And some things are worse than others, sure. But you can't sit there and say that, you know, it's impossible. You can't sit there and say those verses mean fruits when the verse is clearly saying it's impossible for a bad tree to bear good fruit. It can't be works in that case, because yeah, humans do both. So the humans cannot be the good tree and the bad tree in the analogy. So yeah, I agree with you. Or the fruit can't be works if the humans are the tree in the analogies, I guess. I don't know. Yeah, the whole humans and works thing doesn't work.
SPEAKER_07It's something more akin. I think it's something more akin to what other people think about the person. Like what they truly think about the person, you know, like it's because like there's some people in your life where you're like, that's a solid dude because of this situation that happened between me and him. I know that's a solid dude, right? And then you know, he has those situations with other people and so forth, so on and so forth. I think that's the fruit. It's like when somebody can say this is a good dude because of this thing that he did. It's like when it's trust. It's like is it trust? Fruit is trust.
SPEAKER_03I I don't know, because I mean, how can you have good trust and bad trust? Good fruit and evil fruit. That would be not trust. Yeah, I don't think, yeah, I don't think it's it's gotta be it's gotta be false prophets. False prophets presumably would mean some kind of message, lies, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Trust, lies.
SPEAKER_03Beware of false prophets, which come in sheep's clothing. So false prophets, sheep's clothing is an outwardly thing. I'm assuming that's gotta be works. They look good, they look like they're doing the right thing, they dress good, they don't cuss, they don't, you know, whatever. But inwardly they're ravening wolves, they lust, they do this, they do this, they got a crappy thought life. Um you shall know them by their fruit. So this is how you tell a false prophet. Do men gather goods of thorns or th figs of thistles? I am very, very lost on that.
SPEAKER_05I think uh I think he explains it rather well there. So if I'm producing thorns, you're not gonna get any grapes from me.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so so you can't.
SPEAKER_07What if it's like learning, like learning things from people? Because like people just talk crap all the time, you know, and sometimes you pick up on something they say, they're like, oh yeah, that's that's legitimate information. I'm I'm glad I heard that from you. But most of the time people are just like telling you what made them feel a certain way, or you know, something like that.
SPEAKER_03Sorry, I'm just thinking, I'm trying to okay, so grapes. Nope, men do not gather grapes of thorns. Knowledge or knowledge of thistles. So people I'm just shooting in the dark. Would it mean something like people don't gravitate towards things that are going to hurt them? And that that's that can't be right.
SPEAKER_07Uh it's knowledge, dude. Think about like if like when you have a conversation with someone, think about each sentence as a branch, right? And each sentence has it's either thorny or like it has like an apple on it, right? And so, like some people, like high caliber people that are really intelligent and run businesses and stuff, when you talk to them, they're just like shooting off all these branches with apples on them, and you're like, ooh, ooh, he's candy, right? Um, and then like some ridiculous person that's super annoying is just like every sentence is a thorn, you know, and it's like okay, I'm done with this. Yeah, I it's like knowledge, it's drops of knowledge.
SPEAKER_03Let me see if I can find something on the Google because that's gonna bug me. This is what is this 716? All right, hang on. All right.
SPEAKER_05Meaning of Jesus was divine and we are to branches.
SPEAKER_03Meaning of Matthew 716.
SPEAKER_05I think that goes along good with it.
SPEAKER_03Let me well, I'm I'm a little let me look here, but I'm a little worried they're all gonna go, it's works, it's works. I'm like, it can't be works. That doesn't make sense with the analogy. But okay, let's see here.
SPEAKER_05Uh works don't work, man.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, they're gonna say there's a huge mission. Yeah, they're saying we'll naturally produce behavior that reflects what is genuinely in the heart. See, I don't think that's what that works. That that that can't be the case because how does that connect with the sheep? Like if somebody's doing something that obviously flags them like as bad or a false prophet, then how could the fruit be a work? It just doesn't, but that's yeah, that's what got questions is emphasizing. That it's it's saying the fruit analogy and a nature could in nature grapevine cannot produce thorns. And like this is what the AI is saying, but they're pulling this from got questions. So the fruit analogy in nature, a grapevine cannot produce thorns, and a thorn bush cannot produce grapes. Similarly, a person's life will naturally produce behavior that reflects what is genuinely in the heart.
SPEAKER_07I don't see how that's the case, because it's not in the heart, though, it's like think about like okay, so you got negative thoughts and and and not negative thoughts, right? And if you consistently bring those negative thoughts into fruition, like you make them like sometimes you have intrusive thoughts that say, Go kick that puppy, right? And you just go around kicking puppies all day, everyone will hate you because you're terrible. So you have to not listen to those thoughts. It's like bringing thoughts into the pure.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but a false prophet's gonna know that they're gonna know that they can't kick puppies and get their message across. So they're gonna behave good in order to throw people. Like, think about BTK. BTK was a deacon in the church. You know, like BTK, the Boston Strangler guy, like he was a deacon in the church and he was like a leader in the community and everything like that. Like bad guys try really hard to behave good to hide what's really in them, to hide that one thing that's really wrong with them. So how can it be like, how could it be for how could fruit be works if people expressly try to hide their behaviors to deceive everybody? And that would go, the same would apply, I would assume, to a false prophet. It just doesn't make sense. And it ignores, like that interpretation just ignores people. Like people try really hard to fix the external in terms of their behaviors so they don't get caught as far as like their inner life goes. Everybody, to an extent, leads a double life and they modify their behavior to present themselves as more righteous than they actually are. Like that's just like the human condition. So, how how could the fruit be worked? Because it seems to be basically, if that were the case, it seems to be saying, oh, well, you can tell that whether a prophet is true or false based on whether or not they're doing good or bad things. It's like, well, that can't be because the bad guys change their behavior to deceive you, which is what I think the chief's clothing thing is addressing. It just, do you understand? I know I'm probably talking in circles, but it just I'm reading this AI and it's annoying me because I'm like that that like ignores just human experience in general. That can't be right. Yeah. I just, you know, I'm I'm I'm not 100% sure what the fruit is then, if it's not works. I'm I'm thinking it might be message, but I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_07It's I think message is a good word. Um, but it's like what what what truth comes out of you, bro? What what true things come out of you?
SPEAKER_03Hang on a minute. Uh Amy says, I think vine versus thorn is intention. I mean that could be. What do you guys think? I think vine versus thorn is intention. Intention is like your motives, like why you do what you do.
SPEAKER_07Intention is I don't know. It's kinda it's got my brain going all over the way. It's like so Yeah. These are big questions. It's like it's like God's plan versus your plan. Like, um I this is such a big question. I can't. I don't know what you're asking anymore, I forgot.
SPEAKER_03Uh Amy clarified it by saying good intent versus bad intent. Like what's somebody's intentions?
SPEAKER_07Yeah. I feel like intent can be manipulated though. Like the only thing that can't be manipulated is God's plan when you just let things happen. So if you have intent, it could be manipulated to evil.
SPEAKER_03I don't know. I I I kind of think she's on to something. I I'm trying to stress test it in my head. Um because I I do think motives matter when it comes to what what is right or wrong. And I think why somebody uh maybe let me uh I'm gonna have to think about that.
SPEAKER_07Uh yeah, I think it's like sand man. Like if you're if your if your intent is just for you, then it's it's probably evil.
SPEAKER_03So okay, let's see here. We got 17. This is this is declarative. So Christ came to serve this is declarative, even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit. So a good tree will bring forth good fruit, and a bad tree will bring forth bad fruit, or a corrupt tree will bring forth evil fruit. So this isn't so it's this to me, this makes me lean more towards message because if the tree is good, let's say it's let's say it's message. Let's say it's message. Let's say that this is connected to the gate thing at the beginning. So why does okay, so sh uh enter ye at the straight gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there will be a threat. But because straight is the gate and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life, and few and few there be there that find it, and then we get into false prophets. So if your b if the message of the prophet, let's say that's a good tree, then that tree So let's instead of saying the message is fruit, let's say message is tree. A good tree bring a fourth group. So if the message is right, it's gonna maybe produce good fruit in your life. If the message is right, and a corrupt message is going to produce evil fruit in your life, so maybe maybe the issue is that we're trying to ascertain whether or not the prophet is bad or good, but maybe the if we focus, if we say tree is message, then we can tell whether a message is true or false based on what it does for us because we know our own motives, we know our own intent. And so maybe we can if the tree is if a good let's say we'll replace the word tree with message. So every good message bringeth forth good fruit, and every corrupt message bringeth forth evil fruit. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_07But the comparison is a tree to a man, not a message.
SPEAKER_03Well, what that's what I'm saying. What if we're wrong? What if tree isn't man? What if tree isn't man?
SPEAKER_07What if tree is message? And what if you're on to something? What if men each have a message that they need to get out? We don't really we're not born knowing what that is. What if each man is his word, just like God is his word?
SPEAKER_03Because, you know, they wear sheep's clothing. You can't tell, but in inwardly, they're ravening wolves, wolves, but you shall know them by their fruits. So their fruits wouldn't be their works, it would be the let's just say, the fruit of the message they say.
SPEAKER_07So, you know, if well, Brandon Biggs had good fruit with his Trump message.
SPEAKER_03You think so?
SPEAKER_07I mean, unless you just call him a liar.
SPEAKER_03I think he was a liar. Yeah, well, I'm thought that's why I was confused. I thought you did call him a liar.
SPEAKER_07So no, because you thought his fruit was good at the beginning.
SPEAKER_03I don't know if I thought his fruit was good. I was baffled by how he did it because I didn't buy that he just got lucky with the hand motion.
SPEAKER_07You thought it was good fruit.
SPEAKER_03Not necessarily. I mean, the vision could have came from a demon. I was just maintaining the vision was supernatural. But I didn't know what to make of the guy.
SPEAKER_06Okay.
SPEAKER_03Well, anyway, let me let me stay focused here because I feel like I'm really close to maybe having a possible interpretation that makes sense. And I don't want to lose my train of thought. So you shall know them by their fruits. But rather than saying their fruits are works, we're we're gonna say their fruits are the results of your behavior because of their message. So it's like the fruits from your life that are produced by their message. So if you're if you're getting thorns, like if the message is producing thorns in your life rather than grapes, you wouldn't keep going to the false prophet. Same thing with the figs and the thistles, so that's like emphasizing the same idea. So every good tree, the good tree would be planted by the false prophet, is going to produce a good fruit in your life. And every corrupt tree, let's say corrupt message by the false prophet, is going to produce evil fruit in your life. And in this case, fruit might be behavior, it might also be consequences from the behavior, it might be whether or not the idea is working. And so a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit. A good message cannot bring forth bad fruit in your life, bad consequences or bad behavior, let's say. And a corrupt message will bring cannot bring forth positive outcomes in your life or positive behavior in you. And so every tree that bringeth forth good fruit is so every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewed down. So you have to cut out the bad messages in your life and cast those messages into the fire, destroy the concept in you, prune it out. That's a pruning analogy, I believe. And then wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. So by the results of their message you shall know the false prophet. That could be complete crap, but I think that's at least logically coherent in terms of an interpretation. Because I don't think fruits being like their their behaviors or your behaviors works. It's got to be, it's almost like a tertiary component to the analogy. All right. What do you that that that's me coming up with an idea off the top of my head? What do you guys think?
SPEAKER_07I like it because it's like you can take people's you can take people's uh fruit, plant that seed in your life, see if it grows a good tree or a bad tree, right?
SPEAKER_03So maybe.
SPEAKER_07Maybe.
SPEAKER_03I mean, you sometimes we would get arguably bad results from a good message, possibly. So it might not. It might not, it might not just be consequences, it might be like inner behavior or inner peace.
SPEAKER_06How would you get bad results from a good message?
SPEAKER_03Uh hypothetically, that could be a bad result of a good message. Um but unless you want to change better the better to the kingdom of heaven maimed than you're not in the extrapolate out to like the grand, like in the grand scheme of eternity, it's still a good thing. So you could go that route with it. Which is I'm thinking out loud. I need feedback, guys. I'm putting myself out there.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I'm lost.
SPEAKER_08Is that working?
SPEAKER_07Is that feedback working?
SPEAKER_03No, Trevor just said he's lost, so the feedback has not worked, apparently. He's like, what? Okay, so let me see if I can simplify it. Okay, Trevor. Let's okay, listen very closely because I need to know whether my idea is stupid. Okay. Well, thank you, but listen to the idea first. So, um, false, we're trying to figure out how to identify a false prophet, right?
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SPEAKER_05I'm there on that.
SPEAKER_03You can't say the fruit is works because the sheep's clothing analogy is telling you that you cannot tell a false prophet by their outward appearance.
SPEAKER_05So you can't tell their outward, their you can't tell by their works.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like okay, so the traditional interpretation of the scripture would be uh basically sheep's clothing is looking nice. You know what I mean? Like, oh, the false prophets, they dress really nice. You know, they're super duper great. I yeah, that's not always true. Sometimes the prophets, you know, dress up like vagabonds as a marketing shtick. So I mean that it doesn't work. But that would be like the traditional interpretation, you know. Oh, they just dress really clean and they look really good. That's the sheep's clothing. I'm saying no, the sheep's clothing is broader than that. The sheep's clothing is saying they look good by all physical appearances or or even spiritual, like behavioral. That's where I got lost. So I'm saying the fruit as works thing cannot be correct because the sheep's clothing thing eliminates that as a possibility. That's my contention.
SPEAKER_05That's where I got confused.
SPEAKER_03I was like, Okay, so but they look good, which means they behave good, they do everything right from the outward perspective, but on the inside they got bad intentions. Right? So the fault so I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_05So look at their heart. Well, always look at the heart.
SPEAKER_03We're gonna get there. Uh, so this is how you can tell. Ye shall know them by their fruits. So now we've got to define what fruits is. I'm arguing fruits cannot be works because sheep's clothing precludes that. Like it keeps that from being a scenario, right? Right. Okay, so fruits can't be works here. So, and then you've got do men gather grapes of thorns or figs of thistles? So it's some kind of results oriented. Oriented thing though, because you've got this. So, what what exactly are we talking about? So, even so, every good tree bringeth forth good fruit. So, now we've got this third component that we haven't identified either. We got to figure out what the tree is. Is the tree the false prophet? Or is the tree something that the prophet has planted?
SPEAKER_07Can the tree just be? Why does it have to be a prophet, not a person?
SPEAKER_03Well, I'm assuming because it I would say it has to be the prophet because we're in the context of this story. Remember, we're talking about we're talking about this whole section 13 through 20. So this is an entire thought.
SPEAKER_05Right here, he's talking about false prophets.
SPEAKER_03So it has to be so this has to be in the context of false prophets because that's the qualifier at the beginning of 15. So it's not people in general, it's false prophets. So we are talking now. We've got this other analogy. We've got false prophet, we've got fruit, and now we've got good tree, which is going to produce good fruit. And then bad tree gonna produce bad fruit. My argument is the good tree. Oh, sorry, the term good tree must mean message or something that the false prophet has planted in you. And that message is going to produce a good or bad fruit, something results-oriented in your life. So say the message is causes you to be a better person, let's say that would be a good fruit, or say the message causes you to worry less, or you know, something like that, something that's in line with other pieces of the Bible. So the message is going to line up with good outcomes in your life, and a bad message is gonna line up with bad outcomes in your life. That's what I'm that's what I'm positing. False prop fruit cannot mean works because of the sheep's clothing analogy. And tree must mean something like message, and the message is going to produce either a good outcome or a bad outcome, and that's how you identify a false prophet by the outcomes of their message.
SPEAKER_05Okay, yeah, that that that makes sense because I I have listened to people where I do feel better after listening to them, and then I I've also listened to people that they give the kind of the same message, but then I feel yeah, like crap.
SPEAKER_03Well, they're saying the right things, but you know, they you know there's a lot of shoulds, but no hows, that kind of thing.
SPEAKER_05Well, it made me feel shameful instead of or motivated to fix it, whatever that thing is. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I mean, I'm speculating, and I'm mainly throwing this at you guys to see if you can counter it or just stress testing the idea. Because I all I feel confident in saying is that fruit cannot mean works given the sheep's clothing analogy. That's like the only thing I'm really confident in. The rest of this is me speculating, trying to figure out what this means.
SPEAKER_07I feel like so. Think about it from the perspective of you don't see hardly anyone all the at all, right? You're like a nomad in the desert, it's just you and you're walking around. So, like each person you come into contact with builds your reality. So when you have a conversation with that person, it's like they say some things, you say some things, and you you you plant seeds in each other, right? Like ideas, right? And so sometimes that idea grows into something that wrecks your life. You know, you just met that guy one day, but he planted a seed that just totally sets you off the tracks, right? Um, and then sometimes you come across great people and they they sow a good word in you, um, and then you it does good in your life. I don't know. Break it down into like really simple terms, like make it simple.
SPEAKER_03I thought I did, am I not?
SPEAKER_07You just got done talking for 15 minutes.
SPEAKER_03Let me try to be really reductive then. Okay, you've got false prophets. How do we know what a false prophet is? Sheep's clothing seems to suggest he looks good by all accounts from the outside. Okay, I presumably he would be saying and doing the right thing if he looks good. We wouldn't be able to tell from the outward appearance. Is that simple? That's premise A. Is that simple? Yeah. Is there something wrong? Is there something wrong? I don't think so. I'm trying to make sure that I'm not being like convoluted. I'm trying to make sure I'm being clear. I'm checking to see if I'm making sense. Because I make sense in my own head, but I tend to ramble and confuse people. So I'm trying to make sure that I'm making sense. Okay. Okay. So premise A makes sense. False prophet looks good on the outside. Amy gives the thumbs up. Okay, great. All right. Okay, good.
SPEAKER_05I'm with you.
SPEAKER_03So, because premise A, the false prophet looks good on the outside, we can't tell. Since that's premise A, premise B would be therefore fruits cannot mean works, or at least the works of the false prophet. Because we cannot tell. Because works are how, like, typically in other places in the Bible, like James, you measure somebody's faith by their works, right? Like works are how you tell the degree to which somebody believes something. So if we can't tell because the guy looks good on the outside, then print that's premise A. Then premise B would be the fruits um cannot be works because premise A precludes that. The sheep's clothing analogy makes that impossible. Does that make sense? Yes. Okay. So when it says ye shall know them by their fruits, this would be premise C. Fruits has to be talking about it, can't premise B is it can't be works. Premise C is fruits has to be talking about something else. Right? Okay. Now this is premise four. And this is where my weak spot is. This is what I'm trying to stress test because I don't have a connection. I'm speculating here. Good tree. I am arguing that tree is the message planted by the false prophet. It's not the it's not the false prophet. I'm sorry, go on.
SPEAKER_07It doesn't have to be the prophet and or false prophet. It doesn't have to be either or right.
SPEAKER_03I'm saying that the tree is something akin to message, it's not the prophet directly. Okay. So that's premise four. That's where I think my weakness is because I don't have a can like I don't have a anything within the phrases of the passage to say that. I'm making an actual inference.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, you do. Well, no, because you because you take the fruit of that that person's message and then you plant it within you. You're not the tree, but the tree that grows is from that fruit that you got from them from their tree.
SPEAKER_03Um, I think you're moving on to premise five. Uh what I'm I was just talking about. I appreciate it. You're you're helping me. I do appreciate it. I'm I'm I guess I'm arguing with myself at this point. But uh I'm just trying to anticipate because there's gonna be people that are like, no, fruits has to mean works. It has to mean works, and you'll understand why when we get to Matthew 21 next week. But if we go down that rabbit trail, we'll never get done. So we'll have to we'll save that for next week. But this precursor section, a lot of people who take a certain interpretation of Matthew 20 of 721 are going to insist that fruits is works. I'm saying that can't be the case. I'm saying that fruits, good fruit would be a good outcome that is the result of a message. So this could be good consequences, this could be good behavior, like good behavior would be encompassed in that, but not exclusive. Um, so it'd be like, yeah, good outcomes.
SPEAKER_07It could be yeah, it could be anything. We don't know what good is.
SPEAKER_03Only the five is you know, you love more, you desire justice more.
SPEAKER_07But I mean, I would say on that on that argument right there, I would uh appeal to I know not what good is.
SPEAKER_03Yes, but we have an approximate idea. Like, obviously, blowing up a bunch of baby stills is probably not a good idea.
SPEAKER_07Like, whenever you try to define things, man, I just I know.
SPEAKER_03But do we really know it's like if the focus and let's just say for the present for for the conversation's sake? Let's say good and bad is on a gradient. And that and that giving your child a birthday present is closer to the good than blowing up baby seals. Can we say that there's a spectrum and giving your child a present is better than blowing up baby seals? Can we agree on that?
SPEAKER_07What if the baby, what if the baby seals were tormenting a population of rare crabs that is very necessary?
SPEAKER_03You don't have to blow them up. You could just move them if you're gonna if you're gonna be pedantic. I can be pedantic too.
SPEAKER_07Well, you're already being pedantic. That's why I'm being pedantic. I think he's all right.
SPEAKER_03Anyway, so let me try to explain why I'm nervous about the argument really quick here. So I'm arguing that good fruit is good outcome. That could be behavior, that could be positive emotion. Yeah, it means a net benefit. And that net benefit is the result of a good tree, which I'm saying, tree means message planted by the false prophet. My worry with that argument, even though it makes logical sense, is that I don't know if I have a strong enough reason to say good tree means message. It could mean hypothetically, good tree could mean the prophet.
SPEAKER_07Just say something akin to message. The tree means something akin to message.
SPEAKER_03I I I know.
SPEAKER_07I just like make that argument.
SPEAKER_03I know. I just want it to be defensible. I'm trying to still man my own case here. Maybe I'm maybe we're just flying in circles, but I'm just trying to break it down really slow because I apparently I was convoluted after a 15-minute speech. So I'm trying to break down everything I said into very small chunks so everybody knows what I'm talking about. So I think I'm right. I think tree probably means message, and I think it's better to say that good tree means good message rather than talking about the false prophet directly. But you could probably still make the same case I'm making, even if you assume false prop, even if you assumed good tree is the same as the prophet. So it might not even matter. I was just nervous about not having a justification for the word message within the text. But anyway, bottom line is I'm going to argue for the present that fruits are not works. A good fruit is a good outcome based on a good tree, and the tree either means message or profit. Is that simple enough? Does that really make that make sense to everybody? Okay. Any disagreements? Anyone wanting to go no fruits definitely mean works, and you just want to justify degeneracy, you heathen. No.
SPEAKER_07If I was on that screen, I would have already been on it, Gary.
SPEAKER_05I think it would have been a little easier if it would have if he would have just said beware of Pharisees.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think he I think he considered the Pharisees false prophets. I do think that there's justification in the other gospels that he's connecting the two ideas. I do think that's right. Um, and so this would be incredibly applicable if that were true, though, because the and that would certainly eliminate the idea that fruits are works if that's true. Because the Pharisees obeyed the law to the T, that was their great foible. So they obeyed their law, they just didn't understand the spirit of the law, so they were still like sinning in different ways.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, and then the reason I got confused earlier was because I was trying to tie it in with the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Like, what if Jesus is trying to bring up something about that?
SPEAKER_07I think you can, you probably can make that inference, but it would probably take a while.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, we'd be careful.
SPEAKER_03I apologize for being pedantic. I'm just I'm just trying to get into the habit of breaking stuff down. And the whole point of even doing these was like distress test ideas.
SPEAKER_05That is the whole point of us doing this. So well.
SPEAKER_07I only know that word because of family. Pedantic. I think they make where I learned that. Yeah, they make fun of it. Oh, so quite frankly, sir.
SPEAKER_03I find your words to be shallow and pedantic. Yes. Okay.
SPEAKER_07What a pretentious thing to say.
SPEAKER_03Okay, we're ready to move on.
SPEAKER_06So it's something Jordan Peterson would say, Oh, well, frankly, I'd find you very pedantic.
SPEAKER_03He's very sick. You should, you should, you should feel bad.
SPEAKER_07Is he back on the is he back on the I don't know, but you should feel terrible.
SPEAKER_05No.
SPEAKER_03Because you're a terrible person. You're dead inside. Okay. All right. Moving on. Uh any final thoughts on that? All right, we'll be picking up Matthew 7 21 next week. On to the final subject.
SPEAKER_05That's uh that's a good verse.
SPEAKER_03It's it's we're gonna if anybody believes you can lose your salvation, we're gonna fight next week. That's what that means. So that's what that's getting at. So uh anyway, uh moving on, I guess, Trevor, you saw an interview with Kenneth Copeland and you wanted to talk about it, and you had a bunch of stuff ready for it, or did you not find that documentation or hey, you already got it pulled up.
SPEAKER_05Okay. I was looking for it. I was gonna send it to you because I got it. I got it.
SPEAKER_03So do you know where you want to start?
SPEAKER_05Uh the first um the first 30 minutes are just um uh first of all, uh that's uh Bryce.
SPEAKER_03Okay, let me uh let me pull him up really quick. There you go.
SPEAKER_05On the Bryce Crawford show, he did an interview with Kenneth Copeland, which Kenneth Copeland hadn't done an like an interview like this in like 40 years. So this is like this is very weird for him to do this. Because he hasn't done an interview like this with anybody and nobody wants to talk to him because he's demon-possessed, bro.
SPEAKER_07Is that bad, Cody?
SPEAKER_05Anyways.
SPEAKER_07Yes, is it bad to be demon-possessed? I mean, I think everybody's a little bit possessed.
SPEAKER_03Can you give me a yes or no?
SPEAKER_05If not o pressed.
SPEAKER_03Yes, is it bad? Where is it on the scale of bad and good?
SPEAKER_07I don't know. What am I doing?
SPEAKER_03Do you think it's closer to the bad end or do you think it's closer to the good end? You don't know. No, bro. Is Kenneth Copeland being demon-possessed good or bad? I hope he's gets Okay, so you're gonna say it's tragic then.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's not good.
SPEAKER_03Okay, you're saying it's bad, but you're not saying it's immoral. You're saying it's bad as in tragic, Romeo and Juliet. This is a horrible thing that's happened to him.
SPEAKER_06I'm not getting emotional about it, bro. You are.
SPEAKER_07I'm smiling.
SPEAKER_03I don't know what you're talking about. This is what Owen Benjamin calls poking the bear.
SPEAKER_08So I think he's just clicking on it.
SPEAKER_06I don't care. Like, I've I've gotten I've had demons and I kicked them out. You know, he used to do the same thing.
SPEAKER_03It's all great. It's all great. Demon possession is great. It's great. You can just kick them out. Life is great. Life is beautiful even when there's demons. Okay.
SPEAKER_07I I ask me if it's your ridiculous theory.
SPEAKER_03Here's the answer I would have given. Here, here's the answer I would have given. Yes. Yes, be being possessed is a bad thing. And this is the guy that spent 15 minutes arguing about five verses. So even I know to be concise about that one.
SPEAKER_07Oh, he does that on here. Well, it's because you think you know everything and you know it good and bad.
SPEAKER_03I don't know everything. I I know half of things.
SPEAKER_07Well, you think you do though.
SPEAKER_03I know half about everything. How's that? Okay.
SPEAKER_06Okay. I'll call you next time when you need to work with it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you'll get you'll get halfway there to it being fixed. I'll get you really close, I promise. You'll almost have it right. Yeah, almost halfway.
SPEAKER_05Who have you looking up on?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, see, I can get I can go I can Google anything, so there you go. Yeah, so that's true.
SPEAKER_07You can. Do you think anybody's ever Googled how to Google something? I had that question today.
SPEAKER_05Well, we should do that right now.
SPEAKER_03Okay, yeah. I guess we need to focus. We're diatribing. Sorry, I I derailed. I derailed. If we had an admonish button, I'd use it. Because it was bad.
SPEAKER_05Too bad there wasn't a dad joke in there.
SPEAKER_03Alright, so Trevor, where do we start, my good sir?
SPEAKER_05Uh 33 minutes Yeah, go uh skip to 38 minutes. Okay, I'll get as close as I can. Um this is This is where um Bryce, so Bryce is more like us. He he doesn't really agree with the uh prosperity gospel. And so he's asking questions to Kenneth Copeland. Okay, where do you get this? Where's your ministry focused on? And uh Kenneth Copeland will. There's a lot of editing and a lot of him talking over price. And so does he get very upset. And him kind of talking about his prosperity gossip.
SPEAKER_07Does he get does he get all emotional like Gary does when he that's not too late?
SPEAKER_05Are you angry, Cody?
SPEAKER_04Did it hurt your feelings?
SPEAKER_05I have that written.
SPEAKER_04No, you're good? Okay, no, sure, you're good, buddy. Yeah, okay. It'd be bad if I hurt your feelings. That's my last you know, that's my laugh. Don't have any feelings, Gary. We've been over this.
SPEAKER_03Okay, Trevor, I'm sorry. I'm gonna start the video before I get us in trouble. Okay, all right.
SPEAKER_05We might get we we might get copyrighted.
SPEAKER_03I I will try, I will try to yeah, yeah, and being copyrighted would be bad. I will try to you know turn this off and on.
SPEAKER_01So message and and things like that. And so I just kind of wanted to have some dialogue here. Where where do you get this from in scripture? Where do you see this? Kind of share my thoughts. But before we kind of dive into the scripture and where you get your perspective, I mean can from your from your perspective according to to scripture, how do you define abundance and prosperity?
SPEAKER_00Well, Jesus came and said, Uh, the thief comes but for to steal, to kill, and destroy. I've come that you might have life and have it more abundantly. Prosperity. When one mentions prosperity, most people think about money. Now, money is not the root of all evil. The Bible said the love of it is. And there are people that commit that and don't have any money. That's right. True prosperity starts with John 3.16.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00That's where it starts. Absolutely. And then you go from there, you go to the second chapter of the book of Acts. Because being able to pray in the Spirit is the gateway to the supernatural. And you're just not ready to prosper all that big financially yet. But I would say, just from my experience over the last 57, 58 years. That the biggest part of Christians do not know that they've been redeemed from the curse of the law. What does that look like?
SPEAKER_03Well, okay, I'm not sure I agree with the tongues thing, but so far the only thing I know I disagree with is that jacket. That is a hideous jacket.
SPEAKER_05Oh yeah. So far, kitty wore that jacket. He wore that jacket on purpose.
SPEAKER_03So far, this guy sounds fine. It sounds fine so far. This is why you don't trust inside edition because they make people look awful. Like we're hypocrites because we use the inside edition picture for the thumbnail. But uh that was a flattering photo.
SPEAKER_07The dude's stuff going on. The dude's got some stuff going on.
SPEAKER_03I haven't heard it. I mean, I disagree with the tongue stuff, but I haven't heard anything that I'm just like, oh, that's just outlandish. Oh my gosh. Well, we are just yeah, well, so far, this is kind of like okay, he he believes in salvation, so far as I can tell, and we have a distinction on tongues. That's all I've picked up with so far. Which I don't even know if I disagree with them on the tongues thing. Like I just I don't know about tongues. So all right, well, we'll just keep going.
SPEAKER_07I think I think praying in the spirit is channeling demons. It's like I think we talked about it last week. Uh the cursive, or not last week, but the last podcast. Cursive, like curses, is because it like cursive. You write cursive because you're not picking your hand up from the paper and you're like your eyes are closed, you're channeling a demon. It's cursive.
SPEAKER_03Why would you close your eyes while you're writing?
SPEAKER_07Because you're channeling a demon, it's not you writing. I you're writing a spell.
SPEAKER_03By writing cursive? We did not, we did not have last time.
SPEAKER_04No.
SPEAKER_07We didn't?
SPEAKER_04No, I'm thrown for a loop or something.
SPEAKER_07Okay. Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, I think cursive is like is what they used to use to channel demons.
SPEAKER_03So like they I disagree with you, sir.
SPEAKER_07Do you have questions?
SPEAKER_05Well, there is a a practice of people doing that. They'll just write on paper and ask whatever, like through a Ouija board or something, and the spirits that come through will write on a paper what they ask.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, well, yeah, it's a very old practice.
SPEAKER_07No, I'm not saying it is, I'm saying that's just where it comes from. And I think that's kind of the same thing with speaking in tongues or like old old uh Indian songs where you're like, uh you're just making noises so that demons can take over your vocal cords and like the speaking in tongues that are.
SPEAKER_03We'll have to go into the history of where tongues come from, because I do believe that we can trace back like where the Pentecostals first got the idea of like speaking in tongues as we understand it today. Now, obviously, they would argue that they're recapturing what the truth was, and then it was lost, and then you know, like picked up again, but we can still track where they're where they got those ideas from initially. So we might have to do that then.
SPEAKER_07I mean, it's simple though. I mean, like, God is the silent God, He is the still small voice, right? It's like you go to the quiet place to hear God, like it's it's all that you don't you don't chant and you know, like that's how you channel demons. I I don't know if I agree with you. I think that's just another version of speaking in tongues, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_03I can I can challenge that with a Bible story. Remember when the Holy Spirit indwelled Saul and made him run around naked chanting or prophesying with the other prophets, and it confused the people of Israel, and they were like is Saul among the prophets too? That was the Holy Spirit, that wasn't a demon.
SPEAKER_07Saul Saul as in Paul David's son.
SPEAKER_03So I don't think chanting is like the only indicator there.
SPEAKER_07I mean, could God have used I don't know the story. Did he use a did he use a bad thing for the wheel?
SPEAKER_03What he did was he got the Holy Spirit indwelled Saul because he was part of the anointed and like caused him to dance around naked and prophesy to get caught up in that in the yeah, to get caught up in that so Samuel could escape. Because either Samuel or David could escape. Might have been both of them. I'm not I don't remember if it which one which one was. But anyway, he was chasing after one of them, and then he got hit with the Holy Spirit and did all that, and that provided the opportunity for them to continue fleeing, and then Saul was embarrassed, you know, because he's like the big stately king, and then he's left naked, rolling around, prophesying, and it was God humiliating him, basically.
SPEAKER_05So and that that that's a lot of people.
SPEAKER_07If you try to do it on purpose, demons take control of it. Yeah, but I agree with that.
SPEAKER_03Like if you're trying to force it and you're appealing to me, you can yeah, you can get yourself into trouble.
SPEAKER_07Right. So if you go into a place and you're like, I'm gonna speak in tongues, you're channeling D.
SPEAKER_03I'm not sure that's a good jump. I'm not sure that's a good jump. Okay, we'll have to look into it more.
SPEAKER_07But unless it hits you at 8 a.m. on a Tuesday, you know, without you knowing it's coming, then it's bullshit.
SPEAKER_03I I don't know if that's a good criterion. I I don't know. What do you think, okay?
SPEAKER_05Well, a lot of people think uh that it's uh uh Holy Spirit.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, a lot of people think it's the Holy Spirit. Like, that's the thing. Like, this is just uh this is a this is a debate. Of course you want to think that I don't have a preference. I'm just saying this is the debate. Some people think it's wrong, some people think it's right. There's a conversation. I'm in the I don't know camp because at one point in time I did speak in tongues, I don't anymore. I do wonder if I if it was real back then or not. I think it was real, but you know, some people would say, uh-uh, no, it wasn't. And I'm like, well, okay. I can tell you what happened and what it felt like and what the experience was, and uh yeah, that's about it.
SPEAKER_07So well I would say it felt like anything, it was probably demonic.
SPEAKER_03I don't think so because two of the times was when we were trying to bless a house. Trevor, one of it was your one of those was your apartment in the greens.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. We did go through and blessed.
SPEAKER_03I'm always speaking in tongues during that thing. I wasn't planning on it. I didn't even know when they're planning it, but yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, we everybody was speaking in tongues at that point. I'm pretty sure that that oil is still stuck all over the walls.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, probably oil crops. Yeah, that was that was an interesting deal.
SPEAKER_07So you're gonna come in there and rent an apartment? Is there an oil in the room?
SPEAKER_03There was holy oil. Like Trent was having issues with something in his apartment, and we tried to we tried to bless the place. Did it work? I I was under the impression it worked, at least for a little bit. But the way that it ended was you had to call it out directly.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, and and it helped me see what was going on between the girl that I was with at the time. Uh-huh. My ex. You remember her, Cody?
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. So it basically opened my eyes, and that's when I was like, I need to end this relationship.
SPEAKER_03So you never told me that. I remember I remember you told us all to eventually kind of shut up and you had to talk to it directly and get it out. Because it was something between you and it, or like you had like God was leading you to confront it.
SPEAKER_05It was between Yeah, it was it was her stuff, and I had to confront it, and that's when it was like her stuff.
SPEAKER_03Like, what do you mean?
SPEAKER_05Like everything she was dealing with, and she brought that in.
SPEAKER_03Are you talking about a soul tie? Like you guys were connected in a sense.
SPEAKER_06Bad fruit, bro. Bad fruit.
SPEAKER_05It was very bad fruit. Because you were like unequally yoked, like completely unequally 100% unequally yoked.
SPEAKER_03So you had like a like a soul tie deal? Like, like what why was the thing was it was it her deep that was latching on to you, or was it something you had that was feeding off the turmoil? Like it's been it's been north of a decade since this all happened. So I'm I'm very fuzzy as to particulars. I don't think I was fuzzy as fuzzy about it back then, but I've forgotten a lot.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I was it was uh it was a bad it was a relationship that I I just wanted to be in, and it was not going to turn out well. And I didn't I was blind to it until after we did that whole thing, and then it kind of was like, Oh, I need to deal with this.
SPEAKER_03So why did you like the way I remember it is it had gotten to the point where it had ripped the blankets off your bed and it wasn't letting you sleep, basically. So we had to go, we felt we had to go in there and deal with it. So yeah, like what happened, and I'm I'm not trying to embarrass you, so just tell me to show up if you don't want to answer the question. But what happened during that event that clued you in that this was like the result of you and her's relationship? Because I remember it was Kevin and me and a couple other people, and we were praying, and then at one point you had us all go quiet, and uh you spoke to it directly. I don't remember exactly what you said, but I think you it was something to the effect of get out or you needed to leave. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I told it to get out, and I started crying, and y'all started speaking in tongues over me. And uh I actually like hit the floor.
SPEAKER_03Did you just like because you were like emotionally exhausted or like why did you hit the floor?
SPEAKER_05I honestly don't remember. I I just remember being on the floor and y'all just praying over me.
SPEAKER_07They took my legs!
SPEAKER_05And then after that, it was just like my like I I understood, okay. I need to end the relationship.
SPEAKER_03So when you ended the relationship, did it go away?
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_03So it was arguably her. Was it do you think it was her thing? Or do you think it was something that you had that was feeding off of that relationship?
SPEAKER_05I know without a shadow of a doubt right now that it was hers because at her house after I ended the relationship, I was like, hey, before I leave, because I went to see her one more time, I was like, before I leave, I need you to get rid of the Ouija board that's in your closet. And I freaked her out because she had never showed me in that closet. Like I knew there was a Ouija board in that closet.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so she was messing around with something and that it attached to you. Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_05It tried to, yeah. It had it been and I wasn't gonna out her like that.
SPEAKER_02That's crazy.
SPEAKER_05That's yeah. The night that I went back over there and we had a little talk. It was rough. I imagine so. I cried. I cried a lot.
SPEAKER_03I'm sorry, man. I didn't mean to I didn't bring the moon to apologize. I just in that my only point initially was that I spoke tongues during that event, and I I have a hard time imagining that it would have been a demon if I was speaking tongues to call out a demon. That was my only point. I didn't uh Trevor, I apologize if I um He's casting out demons by the name. Yeah, the Pharisee said that, mind you. So I apologize, Trevor, if I embarrassed you. I didn't mean to embarrass you, it just kind of rabbit trailed.
SPEAKER_05So I uh you're fine. It's all water.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, okay. So Cody, I'm gonna call you Caiaphis from now on. So hey, my name is. Hey, there you go. Bo Caiaphis. There we go.
SPEAKER_08Bo Caiaphas.
SPEAKER_03All right. I'm gonna play Kenneth Copeland again.
SPEAKER_05So how far did we go?
SPEAKER_03Probably 20 seconds. You told me to all right.
SPEAKER_05Go in hit play.
SPEAKER_00Just take a look and see. Let's read this. Deuteronomy 8. Thou shalt remember, okay? We got to remember this. The Lord thy God, for it is he that gives you the power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant, which he swore unto your fathers as it is this day. This is covenant business. And this book is a book of blood covenants. The blood of animals, blood by circumcision, the sinless blood of Jesus. Let's go over here to Galatian.
SPEAKER_03I don't know why I agree with the idea that the blood of circumcision was necessarily part of the covenant thing. I know the blood of animals. I think he's referring to the Abrahamic covenant being signified by circumcision. I think that might be what he means. Right. I do agree that the Bible is a book of covenants, though.
SPEAKER_05So Yeah. And this is what he he bases everything on is this little segment right here.
SPEAKER_00And then we'll go back and see what that curse looks like. 13th verse, Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us, for it is written. Now, let me let me just stop right here, Brian. The integrity of this written word is absolutely essential. Rightly dividing it is essential. Understanding what it means when one receives communion. When I finally realized that I'm a blood brother of Jesus Christ, I'd rather die than to do anything to shame him. Ever. Ever, ever. I don't remember now why our airplane was in a shop or something. Anyway, I was reading E. W. Kenyon's book, The Blood Covenant. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05And this is back in the So I don't know if it's a big deal, but I noticed a lot of cuts in that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I've been noticing a lot of cuts.
SPEAKER_05A lot of cuts. It's like, why are they cutting? I don't know. It could just be because he did a lot of pausing. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that does call it in the that does make it suspect if he's cutting a lot. But he's letting them talk.
SPEAKER_05Like he goes on.
SPEAKER_03I mean, it could he could be cutting out important information, but he is letting them talk, so there's that.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, but he starts off he he tells a lot of life stories. So if people want to go back and listen to more stories of Kenneth Copeland, they can watch the rest of it. If you'll skip ahead to 47 minutes, I thought Gary, you might be interested in this part. 47 minutes. It's kind of something about Oral Roberts.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_05I don't think it really has to do with like anything that he teaches. It's just a story.
SPEAKER_03So if you want to skip the water, well, let's look, let's look what he has to say here.
SPEAKER_00Well, when I was in the U.S. Army, we own we rule the night. I mean, that's but that's where it started. I am El Shaddai. El Shaddai is the God who's more than enough. It really refers to a man, a woman's breast that that when a woman has children, like Gloria, for instance, she's everything. She could understand what they said, and I didn't have a clue. But she spent all day and all night with them. Well, I am El Shaddai. Walk before me and be perfect, be blameless. I will make my covenant between me and thee and will multiply thee exceedingly. Abram fell on his face. And you might think like this uh there's been a whole lot more times than once. I fell on my face, and God spoke with me. That was true when I went to OU because I had $27,000, $24,000 left. I'd had an open vision. I knew I was supposed to be there. And uh I just fell on my face on this little this little house that they had arranged for us. I just fell flat on my face, man, just praying in the spirit as fast as I could. And I stopped and thought, I wonder if he'd say anything if I was to Well, it's about time I couldn't get anything. And Ed's like, get on your feet. Man, I hit a military brace. I was standing there shaking all night, just shaking all over. He said, I sent you here. I'll take care of you here. Your ministry doesn't start uh if you get out of school, it starts now. They can't make a minister out of you. I've already made a minister out of you. All they can do is train you. I went out and Gloria said, What took what happened to all night long? That's where there's my direction. So I had already been to orientation. Mrs. Campbell.
SPEAKER_03So just make sure I understand that because I did lose it for a second. Um saying that that all that was God talking to him.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I've had situations where that happened. So where God would like chew my butt out when I'm acting all like reverent and despairing, and then he'll be like, shut up. You know, I've had moments like that where he's done that. Don't know about you.
SPEAKER_05Kind of like a joke thing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I mean, mine was much more pedantic because I was being a baby, but I mean I've had that happen before. So I mean I'm not seeing it. I'm not seeing like anything crazy so far.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, that that's later. This is just what he bases it on to start with. The crazy stuff happens later. This is when they're arguing. Well, they don't he never really argues with him, but he does talk over him, and he he doesn't let uh Bryce talk.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_05So he just kind of what do you call it?
SPEAKER_03He yeah, he talks over overpowering, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Overpower talk, yeah.
SPEAKER_03All right, and that's so you want me to finish the story or are we gonna move on?
SPEAKER_05So uh the rest of that is just you know, he he leads up to when he meets Orl Roberts, and that that was more specific for you. But he went to he went to Oral Roberts University, and that's how he got kind of his start into the ministry.
SPEAKER_04All right then.
SPEAKER_00I don't have any money. I said, Ms. Campbell, may uh uh make a collect called Yeah Dial Nine. I'll call my dad. He said, Where are you? I said, I'm a registrar's office in Oil Roberts University, why? He said, Eddie Matthews, now Eddie Matthews was in the construction business. He had no idea where I was. Eddie Matthews came by and brought a check and said it was for your ministry. I said, How much? $375.15. Wow. And I had about the 15 cents later, and I thought, well, Gloria and I'll get a candy bar and go broke. So now he said he'd take care of me, paid that bill, and the Lord absolutely arrested me out there in front of the LRC. Go up to the sixth floor. And this just came out of my mouth. I said, No, that's the Vatican. I'm not supposed to be up there. Not in here. Where any where any not out here, where any believer has it, they work for me. First thing I had to do is find the elevator. I couldn't do it. I suppose the fifth floor. Just open. Well, it's the first year of ORU. I didn't know it. It was the library. It didn't have anything in it yet. He said floor six. Okay. Remember now, I'll take care of you here. That elevator opened. I walked up to this woman. I said, My name's Kenneth Copeland. I just registered for school. I'm a commercially rated pilot, and I need all the help I can get. She said, Tell Dean Zennick, sir, I am a I just registered today, and uh I'm a commercially rated pilot. I understand this minister uses aircraft. I need all the help I can get. He went, hmm. I turned around. My name's Oral Roberts. I actually stuttered. Listen to this. I got my first faith lesson. Two weeks ago, I started to hire a new co-pilot. The Spirit of the Lord said, that's the same spirit that said, I'll take care of you here. The Spirit of the Lord said, I have a student coming, and you're my man. Tell Brother Luis we got a copilot. The Spirit of God told him, No, don't hire that guy. I have a student coming that's supposed to have the job. He's not going to tell me that ahead of time. I'm going to have to walk by faith, which I did. Well, he became my father in the spirit. That kind of trust I realized out there in front of that LRC. He arrested me. I actually had where I just kind of stuck. I realized I could have turned and walked off and said, No, I don't I don't have any money. I'd have been a world of hurt because I didn't need any more money. Then later, this is what's so cool. A man by the name of Colin Steele was head of everything on the road. I was in two of the last tent meetings that they had. And um and and things he said I'll take care of So that that's how he met.
SPEAKER_03I like the story. I think that's a cool story. I don't have any particular reason to think he's lying. What do you think, Cody?
SPEAKER_07I mean, I don't know. It'd be embellishing a little bit, but he's seems believable.
SPEAKER_05Okay. 53 minutes in, he talks more prosperity. We don't have to look at that if you don't want to. Uh if you want to get into uh the arg arguments, go skip way ahead to an hour and about done, so we're gonna do one argument here.
SPEAKER_03Uh what'd you say, an hour and twenty? I mean, I haven't seen anything crazy so far, but anyway.
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Uh Calic says, I had to look up the age of this Bryce Crawford kid, and he's too young to have a podcast. Not eligible for any eligible for anything. He's like zero life experience. Boo him off the stage.
SPEAKER_05He's like 23, I think.
SPEAKER_07Nobody likes you when you're 23. That's true.
SPEAKER_03All right, we'll do this one more and then we're gonna call it good because it's about the end of the day.
SPEAKER_00Of everything you need. It's money enough to be out of debt. I taught that at the minister's conference one year. And the pastor came back the next year and told me what happened. He said, uh I went home and he said, wait a second, my wife and I prayed, and the congregation prayed, and we're gonna we're gonna build this new sanctuary debt-free. So he said, I went to the bank and went in, and uh he said, uh, I asked him if I could see so-and-so, and they said, uh, Pastor, he's working on your loan now. And he said, I went in there, and oh, he grabbed me by the hand, he said, Pastor, it's looking good. He said, Well, I just want to tell you we decided to do it debt-free. He said, he changed, and he looked at me, and I will not repeat what he called me. You know you can't do this without us. He would have had that spirit in his life. It's cause their money that he borrowed. There's uh on this word kine up here, K-I-N-E. Do you see it? In what verse? In the uh fourth verse. The increase of your kine. That is the increase. That's not kind, it's kind. Now they're farm people. All the oxen, everything you need. Because this is El Shadow. Everything you need, what do you need? Come to me. The increase of your kind. Our kind here was aircraft because the ministry started with a little single-engine Cessa. But even with that, some man asked me, why do you want an airplane? I said, well, to go fast, why not? And besides, that is safer than driving down the highway. And I go to places for a meeting. Airlines don't even go there. And uh even this small four-place airplane. And I was flying it and and uh getting into places and getting into but I needed a twin-engine airplane because this is a little bit more.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so let me let me guess where this is going. This is gonna be you shouldn't own a plane. I should own a plane because of ABC. Yeah, but it's a plane, and on and on and on. Is this are we getting a back and forth about the plane?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, it's kind of yeah. Yeah, that's one of his well, uh, that's Kenneth Copeland just talking. It's another story. It's all right. We're we're running out of time.
SPEAKER_03Do you want to pick this up next week, Trevor? And go through the argument? Okay, we'll do that.
SPEAKER_05Sure, yeah. And we'll we'll get into the where it gets they they kind of go back and forth at about an hour and 30 minutes.
SPEAKER_03All right. I'm trying to I would like to wrap this up in about two and a half hours. So uh Calyx says, I am honestly getting tired of Euro religion. There are so many denominations, and all they do is debate each other. I agree. I love debating, so I can't throw stones. So as you can see, I would say it's a bad thing, but that might offend Cody. So it's debatable. So anyway, um I think I don't know. I kind of feel like God allows us to debate stuff because we're stupid humans and we need something to do. Um maybe that's a little cynical, but you know, I think uh thanks, Alex. I appreciate it. But uh he said lol. It's like somebody's gonna laugh at my jokes or I just die of shame. So, because that would be bad. But anyway, um, you gotta keep life interesting. So, okay. We're gonna go ahead and wrap it up for the night. Do you guys have any final thoughts?
SPEAKER_05I dreamed. And I was a mumbler. And then I woke up because I said, Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03That was fantastic.
SPEAKER_07Virtual high five.
SPEAKER_03I will not.
SPEAKER_08I Oh, sorry.
SPEAKER_03Now see, Cody, that's what I would call bad. That was that was really bad.
SPEAKER_04No, no, I don't. I really don't.
SPEAKER_03Come on, you're smart. What? What? Get it over with.
SPEAKER_05Why do scientists not trust why? Because they make up everything.
SPEAKER_03See, my definition of hell is just dad jokes on a loudspeaker for all eternity. Just never.
SPEAKER_07Well, you must be as a child to enter the kingdom of heaven. Dad jokes are for children.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, there you go. Profound. Yeah. Well, thanks for that, Socrates. We'll move on. So Calix says, good show hanging out again. Good show hanging out again, folks. Yeah, we enjoyed it, Calyx. Thanks for hanging out with us. All right, guys, we're gonna wrap it up. So thank you all so much for watching, and we will see you next time. We hope you enjoyed this episode of Faith Fiction and Folklore. If you did, we would love it if you would subscribe to us on YouTube or follow us on Rumble. We can also be found on X, Instagram, and Facebook. And we are available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, and iHeartRadio. Thank you again very much for listening, and we'll see you next time.